Neither the Pantsir, nor the KH-38s on the new Su-25 should have been added.
The USSR tree would have been fine with a Tor, that way most nations would have been on an even playing ground (Italy, Israel and Japan currently lacking competitive SAMs at top tier).
Giving the Su-25SM3 KH-38s with the specs they currently have ingame was straight up unnecessary and shows how bad of an idea it is to add air to ground armament with ranges of more than 10km.
Not exactly like the Pantsir, but there’s some… interesting things available.
Yes, those are SLAMRAAMs. And 9Xs.
Yes, in my experience chance of intercept is rather low, the guns are not that accurate at several kilometers. Maybe accurate enough for a plane sized target, but bombs have a much smaller profile headon. So what I think is that usually in most cases is that all bullets just miss believe it or not. Pantsir/Tunguska probablly have the highest intercept chance of GBUs but even they can fail very often. (lofting) GBUs are also rather fast (in their terminal diving phase, they can exceed mach 1), so you don’t get much time to react either in terms of gun range. But shooting down GBUs is, or at least was, definitely possible.
Highly disagreed there. Type 81’s only weakness is the lack of a search radar and maybe the spotty functioning of image contrast locking.
If we had AWACS or a ground radar station to give a rough altitude and heading of enemy aircraft, it would be extremely strong.
If you get hit by Pantsir… lol
Still haven’t died to a Pantsir using standard CAS procedures.
The only time I died was low alt 600kph goofing off.
Stay fast, stay above 12km, don’t act like a drone, and you’ll be fine.
CAS is OP and Pantsir can’t kill them.
AWACS in GRB?
Panstir can kill the guys that are just starting out on CAS and CAS is alright. If u get destroyed by the enemy team of course you can expect the CAS. Oh yeah, found a way to enjoy the game. Simply don’t care
Even radar SPAA weren’t quite meant to operate on their lonesome, so yes. It wouldn’t actually fly around and “exist” in the match, but SPAA would receive info on enemy aircraft flying around.
Would help counter space laser bombers.
Well, found out something new
What’s new? That SPAA weren’t meant to operate alone?
had a further thought to this. We are in all likelyhood, getting AMRAAM and other ARH missiles next major update. Its one thing to defend against a Pantsir, its another to defend against an aircraft at the same alt at you, firing AMRAAM. The current spawn situation would put you immediately within the LSZ of an AMRAAM. Whislt you would get RWR warning. Would be tough to defeat, Especially in aircraft like the Tornado.
So moving spawn points further away should help greatly in that regard too. Along with additonal spawn points
They should just make CAS spawn on airfields at that point
That certainly is an option. Though even then, they could do with being much further away, to give time for aircraft to get airborune and climb if they want and to add multiple AFs to mitigate spawn campers
The Pantsir itself is the only SPAA capable of engaging targets 10-20KM, which is the current range of guided munitions.
CAS should not be given free reign in GRB.
The Pantsir is the only functional SPAA ingame currently.
Didn’t know that they can use the AWACS
No.
SCREW CAS.
If anything, what they need to do is to add Pantsir equals to EVERY nation.
I am sick of dying to OP space shuttle CAS 8 out of 10 times in Top Tier and not even having fully adequate tools for the actual ground players to be safe from it at all times.
Also, no artificial nerfs.
Not to mention, also, that, while Pantsir is good, it also has its own weaknesses/faults, such as a really unstable radar that keeps locking into the sky/flares/chaff with ease.
Not the issue. At least not entirely
and to be honest. not all nations can reliably outrange the pantsir either. Only the soviets have an AGM that can actually outrange it reliably and consistantly
The main “nerf” I want, is just to mvoe air spawn 5-10km further away and add a second air spawn location
They can’t add Pantsir equivalents to the other nations, since the other nations don’t have any. Nerfing the Pantsir would allow the other nations to use fighters to combat CAS more succesfully however
Yeah, I was in the Gripen, Performing CAP. Dogfighting something well outside the map, I think a good 10-15km away from the objectives. So im pulling High-G turns, I thought I was well out of range and still got hit,