And lets be honest most SPAA players just make it so easy for CAS to kill them, they spawn and probably don’t even have their motor running, so you always know where they are.
A proper played VT1 or pantsir can be very dangerous. Even the Type 81.
Try hiding SPAA like Flarakbus somewhere else than spawnpoint. Good luck with that, bud. Maps are being a part of this problem as well.
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counter measures dont work very well against hypersonic missiles
Countermeasures aren’t needed, and there are no hypersonic missiles in War Thunder.
I’ve never used CMs against SPAA and so far I’ll never have to.
And for air launched radar missiles? Chaff hasn’t been necessary in over a year.
Pantsirs just ruin the game for helis like my Tiger UHT.
Although that’s not entirely true either. Actually, only the scary PARS ruined the game for me.
If I find a Pantsir before it finds me and I push 3 PARS into it, I should expect it to have been destroyed.
But no.
And if I squeeze 8 PARS into a tank from different angles and it can still repair itself, it wasn’t the Pantsirs either…
So Pantsirs and FF Helis could be quite well balanced.
In any case, the other helicopters are a great match for my FlaRakBus.
I’m definitely ruining the game for these helicopter players.
And of course jets that fly straight into the battlefield looking for easy kills.
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I had no particular problems with UHT killing pantsirs, but I noticed that as well. For some reason that god frorsaken soviet garbage truck just doesn’t want to get overpressured, even though IRL and by every extent of a common sense it should disintegrate into atomic dust if a fly farts nearby.
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Thank you! I was wondering forever on how to engage in CAS after Pantsir was introduced in the game.
A lot of you guys are forgetting that simulator battles exist and there the Pantsir, at least with Israel’s current laser guided bomb only options, is unkillable. You either have to clear the skies first of all planes and make sure they don’t respawn in planes because you can easily get killed by someone firing a 27ER beneath you, because, let me remind all of you, YOU’RE RESTRICTED TO THE COCKPIT. A lot of times it’s hard identifying the battlefield, you have no markers, your visibility is terrible, you cannot see launches, and a lot of the time you cannot see enemy planes. The Pantsir in ground sim is beyond overpowered. It makes sure no one can conduct cas, with many of the maps actually having a smaller air space than the Pantsir’s range. Then the Russians, because they DON’T NEED to spawn planes to counter NATO cas win with superior numbers.
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The absolute shamelessness of this guy defending the pantsir is hurting my brain.
The second I spawn in anything at top tier im locked, and have to dive to the deck to avoid dying. The few times I’ve tried spawning in and maybe looking for a cheeky quick radar missle kill on enemy CAS/CAP that 10-15 seconds of sitting in my air spawn gets me obliterated by pantsir.
Now i watch russian su25 players in replays, they spawn in, kill throttle, open air brake, and proceed to sling AGMs at my team with impunity. Must be real fun not playing against pantsir.
It’s been what 2 fucking years? And no country gets anything on the level of the pantsir? I’d cream my pants for the pantsir with a shittier radar, no guns… and yet here I am with my flakrad 2 round mag and being told that its just as good as pantsir at the same br.
Not having guns blows huge cock against good CAS players, not having the range to kill these retarded su25 players that are slinging missles with impunity. And the fact most of my air tree is GBU bullshit that is unusable in top tier because of pantsir, and any compentant CAP.
Virtually 90% of my deaths on ground are to kh whatever from the su25 and vikirs from their helis. It’s not because these planes are OP, its because there NEVER fly against the gigantic no fly zone bubble russia has at top tier.
Even with the cope numbers on pantsir their no fly bubble is 50% larger than NATO, and the have guns to deal with low flying dumb bomb/rocket attacks. It’s egregious and the pantsir is the #1 example of russian bias this game has ever had, not to mention it completely ruined top tier sim balance even more.
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Weird of you to defend the Pantsir, a SPAA that hasn’t killed me during my hundreds of CAS runs.
Yes, that’s the beginning of CAS tactics since ITO-90M and Flarakrad were added to the game.
CAS has had impunity for 2 years now.
None of the 10 tech trees have SPAA that can reliably face CAS, it’s sad. To say Pantsir can is just defending Pantsir by being wrong about its capabilities.
No CAS in War Thunder face a no-fly bubble, and haven’t in over 2 years cause CAS range exceeds the range of all SPAA.
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I think you are off your meds my man, thats all I have to say.
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An example of what gaslighting is.
Dude, log off, we get it you’re cool and all. We don’t care. I don’t even know what CAS you’re using, good luck doing anything with, for example, tornado. If Pantsirs can’t kill you, but you can kill them - that only shows how bad are soviet players. It’s either you’re unable to kill them because you’re evading and they’re shooting down every munition you send their way or they’re unable to kill you because you’re just kissing the ground and being useless.
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Actually elaborate, I don’t see any significant cas achievements on your acc… What do you use?
I use Tornados, and Mirage 2000 primarily. I also have Harrier GR7, F-14B, AV-8B, and Kurnass 2000 that I can’t use yet.
I go to over 8000 meters, stick around 18km until I’m ready, do an S maneuver in and out, their missiles don’t have enough speed ore maneuverability to hit me as I’m done before I reach 12km.
@TheWarmFridge
Please stop baiting.
Defyn, OddBawz, Tim’s Variety, Hunter 86, etc aren’t all contrarian as you imply just cause I believe them to be correct.
Then again, you’re calling the entire WT community contrarian and nobodies.
@一緒に生きようね
Weird of all these people to come in to defend the Pantsir.
I’ve exclusively used CAS this year, CAS playing tells you the weaknesses of top SPAA more than enough.
Playing the SPAA means you’re reliant on enemies having the skill level of a good CAS player, which isn’t as common as it should be.
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I believe you that the pantsir won’t reach you. But you spend 5 minutes of your time getting yourself into a position where you can fight the Pantsir yourself and can’t/hardly be shot down yourself.
5 minutes in which you are useless. In a BR where games rarely last longer than 15 minutes.
I’ve already done this with my Tornado IDS. Although your tactic doesn’t work, because with the tactic I’m safe from the Pantsir, but I’m on the display for Mig 29 with SARH missiles and will be shot down. Or the Paveway’s falling speed is so low that it takes 1 minute to impact from a height of 8km.
I have no idea who you’re playing against. Is there a time when all Russian Mains play drunk?
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It’s 2 - 3 minutes with the Tornado. Less than 2 for Mirage 2000, and with Mirage 2000 I can get closer due to its superior high alt maneuverability over the Tornado, and rely less on the S maneuver.
I just accept my death from aircraft, they should frag me anyway.
That would have to be proven ;-). On many maps you first have to turn and fly again so that you can realize the distance of 18km and 8km altitude.
On the maps the fun lasts longer than 5 minutes :-).
And then you only drop one bomb per approach, which often only hits when the enemy has already been destroyed. From a height of 8 km, the fall takes so long that half the battlefield has changed. Of course I’m exaggerating a little.
Although I don’t want to argue with you over a few minutes. My point is that the effort required to get a kill is huge, especially with the Tornado IDS. And the reason for this is the Pantsir.
Conversely, an SU 25 starts, starts the airbrakes, fires 2 FNF rockets at the VT-1s, dives and cannot be reached in return fire.
And after the two kills, she climbs back up and picks out the now defenseless tanks.
That’s a significant difference.
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You don’t just fight pantsir either, once you go into the 10.7+ bracket you are fighting CAP with long range radar missles, which have more room to deal with you because they aren’t dealing with pantsir themselves. Flying to space to avoid pantsir will 100% get you killed by r27 etc.
I’ve been poopsocking this game for a week now at 10.3-11.7 (10.3 because of premiums and talismans I have there) and I’ve died 2 times to space launched guided bombs on the ground. Countless times I’ve died to AGMs and helis, and 80% of those kills on me where from russian CAS/Helis.
Guided bombs are probably the most useless thing in the game right now, and AGMs would be as well if they had to face pantsir tier AA. When I got to top tier I got assblasted in CAS trying to use guided munititions and I watched videos of people doing CAS and 99% are just people lucky there is no SPAA or CAP up sitting at like fucking 5km above the deck and points not being touched for whatever reason. They are just playing roulette at that point and getting lucky.
Alvis is right that we need more capable SPAA, but we also need farther away airspawns so SPAA isn’t alerted the second you spawn in, that or we need deck spawns.
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brother where did i say this? im only calling YOU a contrarian and nowhere di i call you a nobody, dont put words in my mouth
and while i dont watch oddbawz or hunter 86, i can tell you for certain tims variety hasnt done a video on the pantsir
you got no rebuttal for my other claims though, you know it yourself, i’m right