Panther A should be move to 5.7

The panther A should be moved to 5.7 as it has a shot trap, and weaker turret armour than both the G and F model. Not a huge change but, it just makes sense. Also would be nice to get a premium panther for Germany.

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6.0 ground is just an awkward br, period.

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I kind of agree, but its not the end of the world. Now a prem panther. I have wanted that for years. They really missed the opportunity to put one in the tiger pack. I would of much prefered the ostwind, a tiger, and a panther

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We tried that. It was too good.

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it will be 6.0

I have only gotten a shot trap to actually happen when facing the chinless panthers ONCE in actual battles.

It is not a thing to consider.

heres a counterargument:

Its a medium tank the same BR as the late production Tiger 1 heavy tank.

It has more effective armour

It has a more effective gun with a faster reload.

Its faster and more mobile (excl reverse)

If we use the Tiger 1 which id say is very well balanced as a marker it all the panthers (other than D and VK3002) should be 6.3

One last thing to add that will probs annoy you

PANTHER F IS A FAKE It shouldnt even be in game, that and Ostwind 2 should have seen the fate of panther 2, tiger 2 105mm and R2Y2

While a few Schmalturm examples existed a full panther F never saw completion, the only “photgraph” of a complete “production” F is a doctored image of a much earlier panther in a scrapheap
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Delete the files too.

Keep them for all or delete for all is a fairer thing to do.

I wasnt playing when a lot of the german fakes were still available. I shouldnt be punished by facing things that are unattainable for me.

the german fakes, russian fakes and japanese fakes (R2Y2 and HO-RI) should probably be annual event unlocks like maus just to keep them exclusive but not punishing the newer generation of players

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I wont say its as fake as the others removed as we 100% know the turret was built and photographed in the UK. If it was mounted to a hull is another story.

There is photographs of prototypes that were built but to what extent is unclear

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If the turret was made, that alone is enough.

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The Panthers are already perfectly fine at 6.0.

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Game has changed a lot since then.

Are you seriously arguing these tanks deserve to be at the same BR as the Tiger 2, IS-2, T44, American T26+T34, and go up against cold war stuff such as the IS4M, Conqueror, etc?

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you can play panthers easily at 6.7, they are much better at 6.0 but they still perform at this br…

Yeah,they need to move all Panthers back to 5.7,they suffer atm. Also we have premium Panther A.
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Not in anyway to make the Panther A 5.7.

It was 5.7 for years,it needs to go back, it was perfectly balanced there.

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No. You are just overtiering these vehicles.

Trying to put a ww2 spaa at 7.7 because it has apcr is a joke

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