Panavia Tornado (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

While Counterparts can resist their air-to-air threat with ARH.
Tornado GR.4 just barely can resist against them with two AIM-9M compared to counterparts. Right…? XD

Of course, GR.4 might be better than GR.1 in anti-air combat thanks to HMD and AIM-9M. But still feels somewhat side-grading than a proper upgrade to me. Compared to multi-role counterparts.

And, I also think Strom Shadow might be a funny and interesting addition to Western arsenal just like AS.34 Kormoran on IDS MFG did.

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Typical Gaijin,

Add extremely overpowered aircraft/weapons to other nations but anything the UK gets its gimped or missing substantial features for “Balance”

There are some exceptions but gaijin really tries to make a point that things like the Harrier GR1 and Gripen day 1 patches are not to be repeated… But it only ever happens because they have no QA team.

Meanwhile we have russians and americans doing bombing runs from 100km away with guided glide bombs while still being an incredibly capable fighter with SARH missiles and good maneuverability. Apparently that is fine, but the GR4 having 18km fire and forget missiles is too op.

Tornado F3 still misisng the ability to carry a towed radar decoy, which wont ever happen until another nation gets it.

The F.3 late may as well be the same BR as the SHAR at this rate with how crap it is, but they wont even consider adding better weapons, MAWS or any other things that would make it at least a little competitive cant happen, despite it already being DOA.

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Sorry I Lied,

The F15I reaches 10km and Mach 2 in <2 minutes from a complete stop on the runway.
It can maintain 2800km/h in an 8G turn at 12km

Current missiles cannot even shoot this thing down.

If it isn’t time to add the Euro fighter Typhoon or provide the desperately needed “Overpowered” weapons to the Tornado then it never will be the right time.

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The F-15I Ra’am isn’t finished, this is very much akin to the Gripen Dev FM and the Nighthawk being able to do cobra’s in full-real etc, its engines are overperforming by ~10-15% when I asked some people for quick estimates.

Final figures should yield a similar STR to F-15C with current -220 engines due to increased thrust of -229 and higher speed bleed for any other maneuver due to higher weight, so its still an F-15 with AIM-120 and HMS meaning its probably still going to be second best to… another F-15 (but this time the C).

IIRC Eurofighter with tornado engines would retain better performance compared to current F-15C.

Is that with or without the conformal fuel tanks though? Because i can see people just not bringing them into air and going ham on anyone who tries to dog fight. Although, i guess that doesnt matter as at top tier its about the missiles, but now whats the excuse for the typhoon then? As it wouldnt be bringing any new weapons.

Paveway IV model updated on Dev





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Is the EGBU-24 modeled correct?

Still using the EPW2 model presently.

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what’s the developers’s idea to Brimstone - Average speed far too low issue?
currently its speed slow down really fast,even gr4 can arrive at the targrt earlier,i sincerely hope that the issue can be solved

Report is in, when there is a resolution I’ll update the report.

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#GIB
Yes, its an sentence

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Do you guys think it will ever get storm shadows. Not sure how they would work in game but they would be cool nonetheless.

I’d say we will eventually when all Nations get there own air launched cruises missile along with much bigger maps !!

With those new long range AAs what I want is ARM tbh

Certainly not this update, they would be even more busted than GROMs for taking out bases

If gaijin can solve that issue I cant see why not though

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Yeah. In GRB, ALARM would be far more useful, especially limited to SAL Brimstones which work better at close range. And in sim. SEAD, especially with the new AF models, would be awsome fun.

(Gimme JP233 to use on the new runways :P )

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Hey Gunjob, hope you’re doing alright! Is there any internal discussion or re-assessment on the implementation of Brimstones, or is laser only set in stone (for now at least)?

My own suggestion is repeated below, but really I’m just curious if the topic is even worthy of further debate.

“Say the in game smoke is “multi-spectral smoke”, which is a real thing that’s been around for 30 years, and already is in-game given that smoke blocks thermals. This provides semi-accurate way of explaining why smoke blocks the Brimstone radar, then make Brimstone FnF and blocked by smoke (so may as well borrow the current optical seeker implementation).”

Set in stone I’m afraid, I went through all the possible options. We were left with SAL or not doing it at all.

This also puts us in a better spot in the future when A2G ARH weapons can be balanced. As we have the model done, it’s on an aircraft, the flight mechanics are all done, so it would just need the seeker updating.

Sometimes it’s good to get a weapon in ahead of new mechanics becoming available.

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I agree and think on a capable platform like a Typhoon Brimstone will be potent, on the GR.4 at top br bracket it’s going to be a niche weapon system you bring if the enemy has little to no SAMs or are already losing.

I dont think the Tornado GR.4 is capable of replacing the Gripen, especially with the F-15E and Su-34 coming to game.

Unless they have finally fixed BOL pod chaff…

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I don’t like to compare platforms where in there intended targets aren’t each other. Sure the F-15E and SU-34 are multirole platforms, but GR4 isn’t, I understand it doesn’t exist in a vacuum but isn’t like we can make GR4 multirole as it just wasn’t, we’d have the same issue with GR9. Eventually the EFT will fill this role for us but for now we stuck with RAF doctrine of having dedicated attack aircraft.