What other T-80UD’s are in the China tree?
Pakistan vehicles like the T-80UD(BE).
What other T-80UD’s are in the China tree
The T-80UD is already present in-game in the USSR tech tree, why waste time grinding a entire event if you’re just going to be rewarded with a vehicle with slightly better ERA coverage, thermals and no premium bonus?
You can probably get a better experience with the T-80UD which has an amazing lineup backing it and a great BR bracket, the T-80UD would also be at a fixed price permanently being more readily available than the 478BE.
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Who cares whether similar vehicles are in other trees, its unique for the China tree.
Yes, that’s how event vehicles work.
Its going to be great, I’ll use it with my ztz96a’s, zlt11 and zbd04a.
Who cares whether similar vehicles are in other trees, its unique for the China tree
God awful take, it’s like calling the Leopard 2A6 in the French tech tree unique, everyone knows it’s a blatant copy and paste of the Finnish 2A6 already present in-game.
Many people like myself have multiple tech trees in-game as well, this does actually matter. I should mention that the gameplay will be entirely the same as already found on the ZTZ96A minus better survivability.
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People get weirdly upset over those sorts of things. Its a unique style of tank for the French tree.
Great, no problems there.
I’m glad there is this T80.
So is this a copy? Maybe, but the arms industry works like that IRL. We build a base that we modify slightly for each export client.
On top of that, the event happens without even realizing it. You play normal and presto you receive a very nice vehicle for free ;)
Happy Holidays to all
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Apparently the entire designation of the vehicle is wrong, if this is the case then Gaijin has done little research when actually investigating this tank. We’re not getting the actual T-80UD 478BE this update but the earlier batches of T-80UDs which is obvious by the turret shape, the news however is the fact that the designation is actually the T-80UD 478DU-1.
This bug report goes into good detail about it, hopefully it gets accepted
A simple fix would be changing the in-game name to the T-80UD/DU-1 but the better fix in my opinion would be fixing the actual model of the tank like the turret and redesignating the vehicle to the T-80UD 478BE and moving it to 11.0 (alongside all features which come with the 478BE in real life).
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The actual 478BE/478BE-1
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I think you meant T-80UD/DU-1 because the standard DU had a (imo weird) T-64 suspension.
Both were trialled by pakistan but we ended up selecting the DU-1 which is more or less the Obj 478BE (standard T-80UD).
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Thanks for the information, I’ll try to contact the guy about it and I’ve updated my previous message.
The T-80UD 478DU would make a nice tech tree vehicle then as an alternative.
478DU/478BE → 478BE-1 (6DT-1)/478BE-1 (6DT-2) → T-84BM Oplot-P
I’ll do some thorough research into the Pakistani T-80UDs and I’ll submit any mistakes I can find then since there is clearly a plethora of them in-game.
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I was going through secondary sources like books about the T-80 series of tanks and found what type of thermal imager Pakistan may be using on their T-80UD fleet, that being the Buran-Catherine-E thermal imager.
Whether all of those T-80UDs have been fitted with them is the real question, since we’re getting the initial batch of T-80UDs as the event vehicle the question should be, was it ever actually fitted with thermals? And if not, we’d have to update the model to accommodate this or we’ll be getting a 1:1 replica.
Source: T80 Modern Battle Tank by Meor Amri
Some T-80UD BE tanks did come stock with thermals however they were perhaps a small number of the 320 total.
I’ve stumbled across another source in which it refers to the 478BE as the one with the welded turret, not the cast one presented in-game. This source also talks about the quantity of T-80UDs which arrived with the welded turret, I’ll forward this in bug reports whenever I gather enough evidence.
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That’s strange…
Because by all means the newer welded turret would have been designated the BE-1 instead of the standard BE…
Maybe its a simplified use of the name?
And we do know there were cast turret T-80s in service
So we cant ignore that fact either…
The source states that the first 145 batches were delivered with the cast turret whilst the remaining 175 were delivered using the welded turret, features of the 478BE also included thermals and other things borrowed from the standard T-84 - it’s going to be a fact that cast turrets were operated by Pakistan, the majority however would’ve been the welded turret.
Maybe its a simplified use of the name
Maybe, I’ll look further into it
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I may of struck gold, I’ve found a reposted official promotional video of the T-80UD 478BE/BE-1 being produced either in Ukraine or Pakistan which CLEARLY showcase the welded turret of the T-80UD (you can tell by the placement of the smoke grenades, they’re on the rear side of the turret instead of the front cheeks).
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Just made a thorough bug report on the T-80UD 478BE issue, but by looking at Gaijins track record it will probably be rejected lol. All I want is a unique event vehicle for China and Gaijin isn’t making this any easier.
Bug Report - Community Bug Reporting System
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IMO, Al-Khalid is the most “Pakistani” of all the Pakistan MBTs. It was their longest development cycle of producing an “indigenous” MBT, which is in turn a customized MBT-2000.
But Gaijin added that as a premium. Which led me to believe that Paki additions will most likely be event/premium/squadron rather than a dedicated subtree line.
Now, can be wrong tho.
Gaijin added the 2020 upgraded Al-Khalid-I as premium and not the base 2001 Al-Khalid variant. And there’s also the Type-85 IIAP, Type-85UG and Al-Zarrar. But still have my doubt tho.
But since Pakistan comprised of 2 parts till Bangladesh separated out, maybe an East+West Pakistan subtree can be formed? Then Bang Durjoy and VT-5 can bolster that subtree (but again, Bang T-69 II G is already a premium, lol). {Oplot-P is defo Chinese premium since it was just for Pak trials and not inducted}
Again, doubt it but lets see.
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had a (imo weird) T-64 suspension.
Not weird, its the most superior of all the T-suspensions but also maintenance heavy and more complicated.
Remember, T-80 started off as an upgraded T-64. Object 476 was the upgraded T-64, first to feature the 1000hp 6TD as a major part of the upgrade.
But was canned and the GTD-1000 would be selected for what would become the T-80 + a suspension similar to that of US’ M60 + inheriting most of T-64’s armor flaws.
{ 476 will lead to 480, in what was envisioned as the ideal T-80, which addressed all the shortcomings of T-64 in terms of armor protection and weak spots on the turret and hull + APS + RCWS + 1000hp 6TD + T-64 suspension. But alas all sacrificed for that turbine as mentioned above i.e obj 478 }
(coming full circle, Ukraine would later upgrade T-64BM2 Bulat with the same 1000HP 6TD, 45 years later, making the Obj.476 project a reality).
Anyways, During Pak trials, Ukraine sent two tanks. 478DU with T-64 suspension and 478DU1 with T-80 suspension. Ukraine still had faith on the T-64 suspension at the time and wanted a revival.
[ IMO, Ukraine wanted a 3rd party trial (here Pakistan) of the T-64 suspension before deciding what to use for their own future MBT project i.e T-84. ]
The trial proved that, due to T-64 suspension being lighter, the overall weight of the Tank was lighter and hence 478DU had a 3-4kmph max speed advantage over 478DU1. But Pakistan went with the simpler T-80 suspension and hence its consecutive mass production which decided the T-84’s suspension’s fate.
( But the T-64 suspension is still proving its worth, cutting through the heavy Ukrainian countryside snow-mud mess every year, especially observed during current conflict, where all other MBTs bog down like T-72s, T-80s, Chally-2s, Leo-1s etc. Hence T-64 is sometimes nicknamed ‘queen of mud n snow’ )
~fin~
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i was wondering, are you pakistani?
@TPS_Hydra maybe you too?
in case would u be interested in making a full scale suggestion for the pakistan + bangladesh Tech Tree?
