I side climb to 5000m. All but one of my team mates are dead. The enemy use blind hunt, so they all know where I am. Best case I have is to head on oncoming enemy. Spray with 50 cal, get a bunch of hits. German or Russian centre mounted cannon one shots me.
Without an airspawn is there any point to a P-47 in ARB or are they GRB planes only?
That’s just the mid tier USA experience, sadly. If you use tactics you either do nothing because the enemy team didn’t climb and all died, or you die because your team didn’t climb.
Start shooting a longer distance, you have the ammo and accuracy to do so.
Thanks for the input :)
How far when closing do you think is a good distance to open fire? I usually have 600m convergence for wing mounted 50 cals, is that too close?
This is a problem with games being too short and too rushy, not the P47 needing an airspawn. I agree though that I experience this and its frustrating.
No offense but very much a skill issue. I clean up in the P-47, always have. Massive ammo load and built like a tank. It’s a go-to mid tier for me. Just get altitude, get speed, maintain speed, descend of prey, spray 50 cals with impunity. Don’t turn fight, but feel free to take any other fighter head-on.
What he describes is not a “skill issue”, he is simply describing how slow climbing aircraft trend to have low impact on games and have a lot of 1v8s because of their nature and how short games are. You need to learn to read further than the cover of a book
You don’t need to be hostile and condescending to make your point - especially when you’re wrong. He clearly stated “Without an airspawn is there any point to a P-47 in ARB or are they GRB planes only?”
My response to the OP made perfect sense, yours to me did not. But feel free to not reply, I’m not in the mood for the pettiness this forum seems to attract.
I’d argue pretty well that saying “skill issue” in a comment when there isn’t one present is also hostile and condescending.
You hyperfocused on one singular comment he made and not the overall story of his post… then got upset at me for saying you’re not reading his post past the cover. I’m not petty, you’re just unwilling to see past your nose.
What a stunning lack of self-awareness. The fact that I asked you not to respond but you just couldn’t help yourself screams pettiness.
I’m sorry, which kingdom is yours?
This is an issue with nearly all American props. They’re designed for A. High alt, high speed engagements, and B. CAS.
The A. means low alt/speed flight performance is compromised (and the few that do it well, e.g F6F, don’t have the engine power needed for sustained fights).
The B. means American aircraft had to be heavily armored, carry lots of ammunition, and have extra structural integrity to carry ordinance. it also means America has tons of amazing CAS options, maybe even the best from rank 1-5. Sadly, CAS doesn’t matter in Air battles as it means they’re too heavy to climb quickly, turn quickly, or accelerate quickly.
This being said, American propeller plane designs were the undisputed kings of aerodynamics, and whilst they almost never actually reach said top speed in a straight line, the combination of a strong airframe, great aerodynamics, and lots of weight means amazing dive performances.
Warthunder prop planes have two metas, low alt dogfighters, and BnZers. American planes, lacking turn rates and thrust/weight ratios, fit neither of those two. It’s also extremely difficult to bring the fight to high alts, without getting shredded by Spitfires, Bf-109s, Fw-190s, Nig-3s, and anything else with actually good climb rates, and not only that, there’s no reason for low alt dogfighters to follow you to 20k ft anyways.
So yeah, your options are A. just side climb, and hope you still have teammates left once you’re high enough to join the engagement. Maybe even snag a bomber kill while you’re up there. Or B. ignore 70% of the tech tree and only go for the supreme aircraft (e.g P-63A-5, the Corsairs, the Early P-38 and P-51, the F8F, and the very last P-51)
I really miss P-47 airspawn :/
Clubbing axis team was really fun
axis clubbed harder with their own hitlerbolt
I also remember that XD.
But, I mostly played P-47M at that time.