It’s because they are German vehicles, it’s why he singles them out.
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The more missiles is irrelevant due to ammo crates, and the fact that it only takes one missile to take down a plane. The Gepard also gets 35mm which are far more powerful than the 25mm on the LAV-AD
It’s because they’re undertiered and are encountered almost every game. The reason I’m not complaining about ZSU-23 4M, Matchbet, or the Italian SPAAs is because I almost never see them ingame.
You’re simply biased.
no they are not, most stinger vehicles are below your suggested br. additionaly how many encounter of them is completly irrelevant to their br. something something major nation vs minor nation with more players
Additionaly the LAV ad has a way higher br because of the stronger tank destroyer capabilties trough the hyrda missles and the thermals, those beat the gepards 35mm cannons
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Uhh, yes Ozy and Geppy are infact the most common. I don’t even remember the last time I’ve seen a Matchbet or the Italian SPAA on the enemy team
It’s not as reloading from ammo crates takes a long while.
Having more ammo on those early IR slingers is always a good thing as they can be dodged easily and can often produce unsatisfactory results, such as getting “Hits”.
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Taken as there’s on average ~2-3 plane (per team) a game at that BR, and often times none if it’s a steamroll, I can assure you ammo is not an issue.
I’ve gone many games in Imp.Chapparal destroying all of 1-3 enemy planes that spawned throughout the entire match, never even needing to reload.
If you play smart (hard for an SPAA player I know) and only launch at a plane that isn’t actively scanning for stingers i.e a plane that’s already made passes over the battlefield and is confident there’s no SPAA, then dodging isn’t an issue.
@Pangolin_Fan i am still waiting on an explanation how 10.0 would make them consistent to the other stinger users
when those with less capability already are lower br and those with higher capability like lav-ad and stormer ad are higher br
You are just claiming stuff without proving anything
Would be fine if aircraft didn’t often take two-three hits to get severe damage.
People don’t need to actively scan in order to notice that big plume of smoke and just barrel roll.
That’s never been my experience with Fim-92s
Players never notice the small plume of smoke when they feel safe and are lining up to bomb/strafe/rocket som1.
There’s still the issue, however, that nations like America or Italy have the F-84F as their only 8.3-9.0 CAS option, and F-84F couldn’t even dream of dodging a Fim-92 (and if it could dream, it would lose all its speed even thinking about dodging)
That’s the whole point of this post, the Fim-92K facing enemies that can do literally nothing about it.
Lucky you.
That smoke trail is huge and last for a long time. It’s actually hard not to notice.
If a literal boat that’s F-117 could dodge two Stinkers back to back, I’m sure that thing can as well.
Again, we’re talking about players focussed on CAS-work, not checking for Fim-92s. Chances are you’re not even gonna be within view, especially if they’re zoomed in.
Also, the smoke trail is not visible for the first few seconds, and on snow maps it’s near impossible to see at all.
Brotha, the F-84F was getting absolutely demolished in pre-nerf F-104C DOGFIGHTS.
The F-117 also isn’t a boat by any means either, it actually turns decently well.
Also ignoring that the LAV gets full HAVP belts and the rocket pods. But no, more missiles are not “ irrelevant” since the crates. You still get more without having to wait for a rearm and then when you do you, you still have more.
you literally ignored every other vehicle that is at the same BR or lower with the same “ criteria” you’ve listed as to why they should go up.
Face it, your bias. You literally only have an issue with the German SPAAs.
the HVAP pens less than the Gepard’s solid shot and deal pitiful damage, and that’s not even meantioning the Gepard’s sabots.
Actually it is irrelevant because normal players don’t launch all 4 missiles at one plane. facepalm
If you think Matchbet is OP and should go up, then I can’t challenge that as I’ve never encountered one on the enemy team that I can ever recall.
Heck, I forgot it even existed before making this discussion.
Sorry, the only one here who’s biased is the one who endlessly defends German vehicles no matter how overpowered they are.
The ZSU-23 should also go up, but this isn’t about radar SPAA this is about stingers.
Getting rid of AAs is CAS work as well as those are the enemies that will put out the biggest fight of all ground vehicles.
Smoke trail is visible almost immediately upon launch, it doesn’t take few seconds. Firing the missile will perfectly give out your location.
It’s still a slow boat that can dodge Stinkers back to back while going 600ish km/h.
ZSU has IR missiles as well at 9.3.
It’s about volume and it’s still able to defend itself better with a full belt, and much better than the ozelot with no gun at all. You’re also ignoring the thermals and rocket pods.
what are you four years old? What are these arguments? You’re just getting facts and going “uhhhh no!”
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If you think Matchbet is OP and should go up, then I can’t challenge that as I’ve never encountered one on the enemy team that I can ever recall.
Heck, I forgot it even existed before making this discussion.[/quote]
just going by your original logic which you’ve long since abandoned(the logic I mean) since you’ve seem to forgotten your issue was that WW2 jets shouldn’t see stingers…but the ozelot and Gepard can’t see any WW2 aircraft. However, things like the matchbet and chaparral actually can. I’ve never said any of these vehicles are, I’m just using your logic.
It’s not defending germen vehicles! I’m literally pointing out how stupid your argument is and how it’s only based on hate for Germany. We get it, your a US main.
If they don’t see any SPAA, they will just move on to normal tanks.
Every time I’ve seen a stinger, the smoke trail starts in the sky, making it difficult to spot the Ozelot.
Again, F-117 can actually turn.
I was specifically talking about the 7.3, but yeah the 4M is also a lil goofy.
You’re projecting . . . again
Ok, welp. You keep plugging those ears and going “lalala” to everyone pointing out the issue with your logic.
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@Pangolin_Fan can i take you continously ingoring this and having no answer to it as you being wrong and having no clue what you are talking about?
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Better missiles, since they have thrust vectoring on launch for some reason and seem to have way better lock range against helis than stingers.
Ah so you have Gepard syndrome where despite there being direct upgrades at its own BR of 8.3, people still cry about the gepard because they see it more.
Gepard 1A2 is limited to 8 missiles with ammo crate. LAV-AD has 16 without ever touching its own ammo crate.
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