You obviously font know about its service Introduction but no.
And no onw called it thr same thing as the oto.
We are saying its similar and equal.
Hence they both deserve a similar br.
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Entered service, service introduction, in service aren’t the same thing? Correct me if I’m wrong, thank you.
But how no one called is the same thing as the OTOMATIC when you say “We are saying its similar and equal.”
But by your logic, Gaijin should classify it as SPAA which will lower the SP cost if it was moved to same OTOMATIC BR, because it’s logical is it? Both have barely no armor, it’s officially classified as SPAA as you said “We are saying its similar and equal.”
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as far as i know, it’s not a stand alone system. Unfortunately, it requires an external radar
Same as with Type 81(C) or any other Western missile carrier. Not literally but I think you can understand what I mean, it’s a distinct characteristics from most of the compared with the Eastern.
Using your arguments, 9040C needs to be lower BR cause it has no IRST, no 57mm APFSDS round, no 144 round ready rack, no 75° elevation nor 35° turret rotation speed.
Oh wait 9040C is a light tank and 2S38 is a SPAAG as Gajin states in their devblog and wiki entry.
Gajin gave the 2S38 wrongly a dual-feed mechanism since introduction. After the models upgrade there is a single-fed mechanism but there are 3 preloaded shells in the loading ramp.
So you must fire first these 3 rounds until you can change the ammunition type.
That`s not the case, so it has a double-feed mechanism.
Another double standard, why should only the OTOMATIC be affected while there are plenty of other SPAA - tank destroyers? Either all or none.
And by the way the 2S38 does not overheat since the bug report 30days ago.
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yes but as in game as IRL the type 81(C) could work without the radar and could use the optical tracking of the missile, with some drawbacks obviusly.
I searched and the only vehicle i found for the italian TT is the Hungarian skyranger 30. Basically another KF41 with Mistral missile instead of Spike.
SIDAM mistral pt2
It does overheat by around 40 rounds.
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Italy can get Romanian OSA-AKM + Gepard with CA-94M missiles.
Then i must have a different client? In a testdrive i can shoot all 144 rounds without interruption.
The sound gets buggy (asynchronous) when the overheat should set in but the canon continues without any problem.
Or is this a testdrive only issue?
Ah, now you’re claiming that 2S38 needs to be brought down in BR. lol
2S38 and 9040C are both light tanks.
2S38 has a single feed mechanism and has always had a single feed mechanism. 2S38 has NEVER once had dual feed in War Thunder.
The only people that claim 2S38 is a SPAA are people that want to buff it in War Thunder, since it receiving SPAA designation would reduce its spawn points allowing it to always be a lower spawn point cost than all other light tanks, similar to Wiesel 1A4.
All vehicles are effected by the BR system, there are no double standards.
Luckily, my bug report about the OTOMATIC missing at least 26 APFSDS rounds currently was acknowledged, although who knows if it will be fixed in game: Community Bug Reporting System
I thought I already explained this to you back in May (I got my Xbox account transferred, “eqS729gYidXuT2BN” was my original SpeclistMain Xbox account)? There’s a difference between saying that the OTOMATIC “could” engage ground vehicles and it being designed to engage both ground and air targets.
The Lvkv 9040C has a 57mm APFSDS round, and a 57mm HE-VT round since when? The comparison doesn’t mean anything, obviously. The 2S38 also pens more in comparison to the 9040C than the OTOMATIC in comparison to the 2S38, so if anything it would make more sense for the OTOMATIC to be brought down due to its ammunition than the 2S38 staying where it is.
The OTOMATIC should be punished for implementing a real-life system for ammo swapping, when all other tanks in the game get to have it added to them just cause?
I mean that’s blatantly a double-standard.
Plus, I didn’t know all autoloaders in the game besides the OTOMATIC took 10-20 seconds to cycle through their ammo until the system finds the one you select.
See the above stuff for how the OTOMATIC was actually designed to fight ground vehicles as well, and should have the capacity for at least 38 APFSDS rounds.
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You made the comparision between Otomatic and 2S38 saying 2S38 needs to be lower than Otomatic.
I used your arguments to compare 9040C and 2S38 saying the 9040C needs to be lower than 2S38.
So i wonder where do you read a statement from me, about the 2S38 should be the same BR as 9040C?
2S38 has a single feed mechanism and has always had a single feed mechanism. 2S38 has NEVER once had dual feed in War Thunder.
2S38 is using the double-feed mechanic and i explained why. If you don’t understand what i am writing just ask.
The only people that claim 2S38 is a SPAA are people that want to buff it in War Thunder, since it receiving SPAA designation would reduce its spawn points allowing it to always be a lower spawn point cost than all other light tanks, similar to Wiesel 1A4.
I want realism, and in reality the 2S38 is a SPAAG as Gajin wrote.
In the same way 2S38 should loose scouting and the drone, so it`s get buffed and nerfed in some ways.
Glad you mentioned the Wiesel 1A4, another tank with the wrong class. If something is a light vehicle its the Wiesel 1A4.
All vehicles are effected by the BR system, there are no double standards.
Where did i brought the double standard argument with the BR-system in touch??
Did you just over-fly my post?
I believe all high-BR SPAAG should see the tiny shell count limits on their darts/sabot removed. We have IFVs running around like they own the place with limitless stacks of such ammunition, in addition to ATGMs, while being generally faster and lower-profile than all SPAAGs.
If someone wants to use their OTOMATIC as an “Ersatz IFV,” let them go ahead.
Of course you want to buff the 2S38 by making it a SPAA in War Thunder so it costs less SP for you to spawn.
It would retain scouting and the drone cause it’s still a light tank.
Sorry, this would be a double standard and unrealistic.
OTOMATIC would have to be entirely removed from the game.
Why would it need to be removed from the game? Plus we already know Gaijin has applied a double standard against the OTOMATIC:
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OTOMATIC uses the same exact standard as all vehicles in the game.
All tanks in the game have their correct ammo limitations as far as everyone knows.
Saying otherwise is overt lying.
Deflecting now? I mentioned how the OTOMATIC is facing a double standard by having its ammo limited by the game design choice of implementing ammo-switching, of which no other tank has such a limit.
Plus, the OTOMATIC can carry at least 38 APFSDS: Community Bug Reporting System
Lying how?
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OTOMATIC has its ammo limited IRL, it has nothing to do with the game balance.
All tanks in War Thunder face limitations, including T-series tanks with ATGMs.
Which needs a new ammo storage system to implement.
All you’ve done this month is prove Gaijin is consistent while claiming your own evidence is incorrect.
No it does not. I have shown that is factually not the case.
Also no it does not, having multiple places to store ammo is possible to do (nearly all vehicles have it).