Ok and the F22 only real advantage was stealth
Nations were already part of the Joint Strike Fighter since the 90s
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Mainly it’s down to the USAF Superiority bollocks they are fed since birth in America, the star spangled raptor simply has to be the best aircraft in the world!!!
what? lets downplay not being able to be seen or locked by enemy aircraft.
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Modern Aerial combat isn’t that simple, on top of the fact it can be picked up by ground radar, SAM systems and AWACS/EW aircraft which will simply relay information over to their forces in the sky
u can be seen and u can be locked just that the range is minimal compared to a plane with similar size, there is still radars that can actively ignore this, like more advanced AESA radars, but fortunately russia dosent have them in active service yet except the SU-57 that hasnt seen combat yet, and IR signature its a thing for IRST
Yes, stealth was the point of developing a stealth fighter.
you can be seen visually obviously… you’re not showing up on radars until you get much closer and by that point they’re probably dead to some long range missile
Russia, specifically the VVS has proven itself a bit of an embarrassment in terms of utilising modern aerial combat tactics, especially since they keep losing their A-50 AWACS systems, the eyes now fall to China, who turned away the IRBIS-E radar (from the Su-35s) since their own AESA systems far outperformed it, alongside having by far the best flanker in the form of the J-16, no Russian shilling can tell me otherwise lol.
ME when better AESA comes
Stealth wasn’t even new it was just made better and put onto a actual fighter
depends on the radar, for example, latest chinese AESA can detect it from 20-30km away, but russia’s latest PESA can only start detecting you at 10 km, Japan’s latest AESA can detect it from 50 km away, European AESA i still dont know current stats so we need to wait and see
You’re correct, the F117 was in service before the F22.
Still not sure what this has to do with my response. I was replying to a comment about how Europe chooses quality over quantity, as if somehow US aircraft are not quality.
they have a much lower budget limit than the US, hence why they dont spend as much on that stuff and unlike russia they go for quality over quantity, US quality is pretty good, but quite frankly some european countries are catching them pretty fast on the tech race
I specified this in a previous comment, US aircraft are typically good and built in large production lines and periodically modified, whereas the Eurocanards are great and usually not built as much but provide more use for their individual air forces.
Not saying anything is bad here but quality comes at a high price.
thrust vectoring plus good airframe, stiill some planes can do this aswell is not really surprising, and one issue of thrust vectoring is that it only is useful at low speeds since at high speed sit dosent make almost any difference
DTVC really doesn’t provide much for an aircraft’s overall dogfighting performance since I’d argue it provides too much AoA which puts the aircraft in an awkward situation for the pilot if he misses his gunshot, manoeuvre or fox-2 shot and leaves them in a very slow and harsh post-stall, allowing the adversary to quickly capitalise if in a comparable aircraft.
Give me a source as to when Russia was using PT-76s while USA was using shermans. Or Italy using R3s while the USA was using shermans and P-51s. Or when Isreal used S-199s while USA was fielding P-40s?
Those sort of pure dates of vehicles/weapons being in service mean nothing to war thunder.
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You don’t put thrust vectoring onto an aircraft just for the lols.
It is a real advantage.
Knowing Gaijin, we’re probably seeing 5th gens within 3-4 years
correct me if i’m wrong, 30km is already in you’re dead territory.