I don’t FAULT people for using BH/Avenger in this SPECIFIC use case, but only if they knew what was going on BEFORE they did so. LOTS of people just go “oh last guy” and use a BH instantly. That is the problem. You also can’t tell BEFORE you use the order in some cases whether you’re ACTUALLY finding a passive player, or if you’re just spoiling the planes of an ACTIVE player that just wasn’t visible at that time.
Again, advocate for better ways to keep players from being passive that doesn’t also involve handing wallhacks to the entire playerbase to use on their whim.
Like 80% of the game i play in air rb is between 10.7-12.7.
What do you have in these BRs during events? Tornadoes, Kfir Canards and F-4S players doing baseboming then running away.
99% of them does not even attempt to win game by killing enemies.
If there is one guy left and i see they are basebombers i often activate the order just to get him yeeted as he is only gonna go “dump and run”.
Not even feel sorry for them as they kinda mess up the game by ignoring fighting anyone
Blind Hunt should make it so the target player has a higher chance of being detected.
Avenger should function the same, but instead target players who have the highest kills. Avenger should theoretically give out a higher reward than Blind Hunt.
I’ve already lost track of how many times a Blind Hunt/Avenger get popped the moment my last teammate dies. I play kind of conservatively, but never to the point of being an AF baby. But right now it’s getting more and more frustrating trying to win 1v4+ when strategy is thrown out the window when you’re served on a silver platter with a side of mashed potatoes.
Honestly they’re more a help than anything. You have no idea how many times I’ve been flying (recently after the sales when I got the 23ML) and there’s 1 guy left verses like 2 of my team and they just fly off into the map boundaries at Angels 45 and zoom around at mach 2. Sometimes that’s hard to spot if there’s cloud cover everywhere. They’re a good thing.
Since you can win against 3 enemies with night vision devices in complete darkness without seeing anything, congratulations. Equal opportunities. What skills are you talking about, man? You commented just to comment.
There are so many points you can make to support and counter the purpose of these orders, but the one thing I can stand by is that: Of course you’re free to use them if your enemy is a diaper baby that can’t bother trying to fight. It’s part of the game after all, you want the match to get over quickly. But how about us players who want to pull through and actually win? Do we just land and just J-out if we get put in a 2v4 or 1v4+ scenario?
( I don’t like to do anectodal evidence, but I got hit by three seperate losing streaks where I’m either the last guy alive, or the few handful left in overwhelming odds.)
It’s been HARD and I mean extremely hard trying to win top tier games. In props? I couldn’t give any more shit. I’ve managed to win on overwhelming odds as long as the enemy lets me to. (If they don’t bother to try and extend the ticket gap or create one.) but any top tier game? Nope, nada, nyet. The moment that Blind Hunt/Avenger pops I’m done. I would see like 3-5 people rush me and fire an planetary bombardment worth of AIM-120’s.
And if you’re saying “Just don’t get put into a 1v4+ position” I dare you to try and consistently do that in Top Tier. Almost 85% of my games in Top have been getting snowballed, or snow balling. Very few even make it to 3v5’s or 2v2’s, or any equal scenario.
If you think you can’t win 1vN with blind hunt on the enemy side, then you wouldn’t win without it either.
Accept defeat and use the opportunity to get better from the ensuing “unfair” fight.
(Perspective of a prop player)
If you think you can’t win 1vN with blind hunt on the enemy side, then you wouldn’t win without it either.
An extremely defeatist mindset. I’ve won matches being outnumbered, even when an avenger or blind hunt is popped. Even on props, I’m still confident I pull a hail mary to win. Do I have to accept defeat everytime I foresee a 1vN will happen?
Accept defeat and use the opportunity to get better from the ensuing “unfair” fight. (Perspective of a prop player)
Get better on what? Teammates? Positioning? Gamesense? Coordination? Missile Launching Parameters? Game strategizing? What variable do I account so we don’t get snowballed and I get put in a Me vs All scenario? Do I have to scream on my teammates ears on what to do so we don’t get put in bad positions?
Not to be rude, but this advice is extremely low quality. In what part of the game should you learn so you don’t get a blind hunt or avenger popped on you? Hoping that the MM gives me actual players so this never happens?
Prop players have more chances than what someone in Top Tier could hope to do.
You misunderstood my message, probably because I wrote my sentence unclearly. If you think you can’t win against opponents that use blind hunt, then you wouldn’t win even if they wouldn’t use it. That’s because if you assume your hidden opponents don’t already have advantages (energy/line of sight) you risk overextending.
If I’m put in a situation where I am alone against multiple unknown enemies, I assume they’re already above and are tracking me, so I prepare accordingly.
In essence I’m trying to say that having blind hunt doesn’t really give much of an advantage, since the enemies already have all the advantages they could ever need.
In addition to that, knowing that the enemy knows where you are is also valuable information, since you can use that against them.
Fighting multiple enemies at once. So yeah, positioning, game sense, launching params, strategizing all apply, and the most important skill would be awareness and tracking of multiple targets.
Top tier jets need an entirely new game mode, in my opinion.
Okay thanks, I interpreted it as somewhat being hostile which is my fault, I apologize. Thanks for delving in a bit further.
Which is what makes it so annoying to be on. Radar no matter how bad it is, already shows you information. The moment I get pinged on my RWR when I’m the last is that I already know what’s coming, I can do things like hide behind a mountain, fly low, etc. BH & A just makes me lose the position and strategy I’m trying to establish because the enemy knows my every move. Hiding behind the mountain and going side so I can flank? Thrown out the window once it’s activated. I’m basically just hoping they stagger their approach once I’m out in the open so I can launch SARH’s or ARH’s without trouble.
For props, sure, but this is nigh impossible in Top tier. You always have to assume the worst. Head-on aspect? Assume a SARH/ARH is gonna bite so you joust, multipath or notch, but then if you do notch, assume an IR is coming. I can die, sure but atleast they knew what they were doing. Blind Hunt & Avenger is activated? all X of them are going to where I am no matter. An R77 to my left, Above me an AIM-120 and a Fakour, to my right an R-darter and a derby.
The thing is I cant account for everything. For sure, skill issue or whatever, I can know if I’m heading towards my doom, who’s going to dogpile me, the strategy I’m gonna apply so on and so forth. But the argument isn’t about the essence of ACM, BFM and Top tier playstyles, that’s another one on itself, BUT how Blind Hunt and Avenger are just 1-tap buttons/orders that 95% of the time tip the match easily. Even on a game design standpoint it’s extremely absurd.
I also dislike the use of blind hunt/avengers. Without them atleast the enemy will spread out to search for you. But once the eye of sauron is on you everyone will converge on you.
Most of the time they are popped when you are near airfield or have landed. If in jet tiers if odds are good ill pop a counter order prior to it, but i hate that i have to do this to buy my self some time and positioning. But if they beat me to it ill try to get the SL and then j out to waste thier order. I fly alot of off meta aircraft since ill stock to spade a plane and move on. So being seen at airfield about to take off in a low energy state with a not fully upgraded plane its game over.
If i get a high tier match in an EC map ill pop a blind hunt just before everyone merges, which normally gets the chat all riled up.
I think the red square is enough already to find the last guy, especially once radar equipped aircraft are in the match.