duplet should be vastly superior to relikt
heres a video of duplet being tested on by different shaped charges and kinetic penetrators
document showing results of duplets effectiveness
https://btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/duplet.htm
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Stingray will get the maximum stabilizer speed
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Has anyone reported that? I mean, if they do them double standards like that, it is just straight up bullcrap.
After two days of digging, I have finally found an official KMDB article on the wayback machine that states (albeit briefly) that the T-84 has a spall liner!
https://web.archive.org/web/20130617022221/http://morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t84protection.php
Unfortunately it’s an article about the normal T-84, however the pictures provided in it appear to be of the one with a welded turret, so all hope may not yet be lost.
This guy: (you can kinda see the shaping of the welded turret’s cheeks under the ERA)
Here’s one of the images attached to that article, which proves that it’s the same model.
Here’s some additional pictures of the ones with Drozd that were bought by the US back in 2003, in which you can clearly see the same welded turret shape as the BM Oplot.
And here’s a side-by-side with an image from in-game that shows it’s the same turret shape.
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Reported but Stabilization speed is not the same as aiming speed they said.
They wouldn’t accept this. Just to save you some time.
Maybe not by itself, but that article is from KMDB themselves. If I use this globalsecurity article as a secondary source: T-84 MBT
and if I can find another secondary source, then I should have enough to make a report on it.
Am i having a Schitzo moment or does anyone else think it look like there’s a layer of cloth on the inside of that turret?
@CaptKaMeLRo I think you’ve just given me that third source I was looking for.
Nevermind, it has been brought to my attention that what I thought was a spall liner is probably just podboi anti-radiation lining.
Pay attention to “accurate” - it is not maximum.
I believe vertical wise it is no different to 2E42.
PVVV-1888 is sold in other countries ,which definitely implies it’s not a new part of 2E42M.
The manual never mentions 2E42M
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Let’s say typical gaijin, for some tanks they take some data, for others another type of data, and then they add it to the game as if it were the same thing.
For example, the Thai F-16A OCU’s radar being the product of a typo on a website that could at best be called a secondary source, and not actually being a thing that exists IRL.
Come on, like what happened to the M735 ammunition.
Meanwhile the new Belgian one they’re adding is perfectly accurate. No fake radar, no fake HMS, no fake AIM-120s, nothing.
I find it really strange that the Oplot only has a muzzle elevation speed of 1°/s, perhaps it’s a mistake on the website of the company that manufactures it.
Maybe, I’ll do some digging through the internet archive tomorrow and see if I can’t find an alternate source on that one. If I can’t get the Oplot a spall liner, I’ll at least try to get that issue fixed.
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this is antiradiaton liner, all soviet mbt has it
I don’t understand how you could come to that conclusion.
The fact that it was sold in other countries only means that they tried to sell it in other countries)
Yes, I was wrong here.
But even older stabilizers show a speed of around 10 degrees per second)🤓
Sadly, there is practically no other reliable source other than KMDB’s own statement on spall liners. Tried to search in various ways (archives, forums etc), yet it is only KMDB who made the statement, and I quote, "The overpressure-type NBC protection system protects the crew and inner equipment of the tank against the nuclear weapon effects, radioactive dust, toxic agents and bacteriological materials.
The radiation shielding is designed in the form of a liner fixed on both internal and external surfaces of the tank to give protection against radiation from nuclear explosions. Spall liners are also fitted greatly reducing behind armour effect."
Quite important to point out that KMDB (vehicle’s designer and manufacturer) itself defined NBC and spall liners as different components, thus there is no mistake in perception of what was meant as a liner.
Sadly I couldn’t find any armor cross-section (I searched quite some websites with drawnings of T-84, yet these were pretty much about outer armor, e.g. ERA, and inner components like auto-loader, sights and so on) that might, at least, indicate the difference between base armor and linning layers.
Interesting: there is a rather recent article from Army Recognition dated July 25, 2025, having an interesting line (quote):
“The Oplot-M’s protection systems combine passive, reactive, and active layers. Base armor includes electro-slag remelted steel with layers of ceramic and aramid-fiber composite. […] The tank is also fitted with overpressure-type NBC protection and internal spall liners. It can withstand 10 kg TNT blasts under the tracks and 4 kg under the driver’s compartment.”
If I had to guess, that statement was based on KMDB’s archived article, however I wouldn’t trust just news article alone; I would only if there was a link/source to this statement, sadly there isn’t.
But you can always try your luck :shrug:
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