It can be both. Being expensive AF still makes it a disaster. Plus, it retained the Gun-Launcher tube which was always problematic.
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the army wants jack of all trade instead they get master of nothing
I wrote this like a day or 2 after it released on the live server, so the armor was a bit worse than it currently is. It wasn’t that good in the first few days of release but it’s become of of the best SPAAs for the tier. The only bad thing about it is the incorrect radar but it’s pretty good overall.
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My meaning was more along the lines that the ammo was either not made by that time (only advertised) or didnt work.
Cuz either way if 246 gets it, gepard can also get it.
But the ammo was mpstly just a proposal.
If you wouldn’t mind it instantly going to 9.0 minimum? Sure.
The Falcon went to 8.3 because of it’s belt, if you really think the XM246 with 640 rounds of full APDS belt would stay 8.3 you are delusional.
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It’s a sidegrade. Better armor for far worse mobility.
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I mean sure…
If the mobility (less than mediocre) of the gepard was a strength to begin with.
German main moment. Seriously the Gepard has very decent mobility, the Leopard 1 chassis is far better than the M48 chassis.
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Are we debating what statistically is better or what we think is better?
The BVM and M1A2 are about on par, the BVM lacks the backwards mobility, and traverse cababilities the M1A2 does, as well as the same levels of depression.
The M1A2 also has better optics no? Personally I find it ridiculous the M1A2 sits at 11.7 right now while stuff like the Leopard 2a5 sits at 12.0
with a worse reload, round, mobility, and arguably armour. However the top tier arguments for the big three really are silly.
Agreed there.
Yeah that as well, right now its far too compressed in GRB you’ve got stuff like the 2a4 and CR1 going up against M1A2’s and T80Us etc.
Reduced gun handling / turret travers ?
Hard agree that having the premium be better than the TT is ridiculous.
Clovis comes to mind right now. Or even the F18A/C being better than the 12.7 F16 for USA.
Yeah was thinking that when I was writing it man, still a small advantage technically
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Gepard is one of the best 8.3 SPAA out there as it sits for both AA and TD, the only one I think is better is the Leopard 2 Swedish SPAA but its 8.7
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The BVM wins it in terms of optics. BVM has gen 3 gunner thermals and no commander thermals, M1A2 has gen 1 thermals for both the gunner and commander.
looking at it performance wise. Abrams has better reverse speed, reload and gun depression while the BVM has a slightly more RB friendly armor profile and better optics.
While imo the 2A5 beats the M1A2 in armor profile, they should honestly be the same BR. However I don’t think either of them should be the same BR as the BVM.
I think Gaijin could make an entire BR range from the vehicles at 11.7-12.0 currently, let alone with the vehicles at 10.7-11.3. It’s absolutely insane how compressed top tier is.
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Optics isn’t just the thermals man, genuinely askign its magnifications as well.
Exactly my point, the M1A2 is also lower Br’d for some reason, at 11.7 theres also more abrams that have similar performance, while russia has the BVM, the T72B3 and T80U while I can use I find insanely frustrating to perform the same as in the M1A2.
Eh the BVM from what ive seen, and nearly at it, is worth of the same BRs as the M1A2 and 2A5.
It has more frontal armour on the UFP, but at these BRs you should never be firing at the UFP any ways.
LFP, Breach shot, and ofc side shots one tap it. same as any other tank.
Definitely agree on that, the fact were discussing these tanks which while similar are miles apart, AKA the T80U vs T80BVM, or M1A1 VS the M1A2. 2a5 VS 2a7 (these are the same Br while the 2a5 is objectively worse in every way bar mobility)
Is wild, they could make a BR up to 12.7 as you say at the least.
Gotta love facing off against Type 90s in shit like the Cr1 Mk2 or the T72B xd while decent for their BRs respectively an uptiers a death sentance for them.
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3x-10x zoom for the M1A2 vs 4x-12x zoom for the BVM. SEPs are a bit of an improvement with 3x-13x zoom.
The BVM was incredibly dominant against these vehicles back in the day, which should be enough to not have them at the same BR, especially not until they also model the new detailed modules for the BVM as well.
Same. Gotta love enjoying my 105 armed tanks and suddenly facing an M1A1 and T-80UM-2.
Always get mixed up in the zooms.
The issue ive got with top tier for the big 3, they really are incredibly similar in most aspects , sure one may eek out a bit more armour, or firepower etc but its all marginals.
I mean I was facing them in the CR2 and id rather face the BVM than the leo2a6 /M1A2 at the time.
(didnt really like fighting many of any of them TBH was always an uphill battle)
It’s mortifying af isn’t it.
It’s why i stick to around 9.3 and 10.0
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“muh duh german main so you stoopid.”
yeah ad hominem really helps ur case.
you forgot my point that the Gepard nor leopard 1 have such amazing mobility that you could outrun CAS.
unless youre talking about AT ability in which case WHY are you using an SPAA against tanks?
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It’s because Gaijin wanted at minimum 2 Abrams per BR when they made the changes. You have the standard M1 and the KVT at 10.7. The IPM1 and M1A1 at 11.3. The HC, M1A2, and Clickbait at 11.7. Both SEPs at 12.0. It’s stupid how the went around deciding the BRs but I see why they did it.
You don’t use the mobility to outrun CAS, good players use mobility in an SPAA to relocate to unpredictable positions to not be an easy target for CAS.
However something tells me you are just one of those spaa players that sits still in spawn and waits to be bombed?
I mean the Gepard is pretty decent against tanks combining it’s mobility and APDS. There aren’t always planes to shoot at, might as well find something else to shoot at.
You shoot once and they see you.
So much for that position bro.
Also try finding such positions that wouldnt get u killed by tanks.
Ive seen the XM246 guys charging forward tanking shots and even HEAT rounds all the time.
Its literally better than the gepard.
Ok* but that depends.
You wait with shooting until you are confident you kill the plane. If you don’t sit in the spawn CAS likely doesn’t know where you are so no reason to start shooting 4km out.
It’s really not that difficult.
Lot of people have skill issue though. I often see Maus tank so many shots even HEAT-FS, should that move to 8.0 or higher now?
It’s a sidegrade mostly, a lot of people just don’t know how to make use of the Gepard’s strengths.
1.5km is the optimal range. ik that lol
with the current map design…
i was arguing to its survivability. its turret basket is kinda effective
maybe, but gepard isnt what it used to be.