🚀 Hey fellow pilots, captains and tank commanders!
This year has been an interesting year, with multiple sub-nations being added!
Also, lots and lots of things have changed, are going to be changed or haven’t changed at al.
Half a year ago, i’ve posted a similar topic and wanted to know if you think the same as last time:
We all know they’re out there, fighting the good fight alongside the big 3-4. But do they get the love and attention they deserve? Let’s find out with a quick poll:
Which nation suffers the most
Italy
France
Japan
China
Sweden
Israël
Great Britain
0voters
What aspect of gameplay do you believe is the toughest for minor nations?
Vehicle diversity
Lack of high-tier vehicles
Matchmaking struggles
Economy (research and vehicle costs)
Lack of vehicle additions despite of available options
Other (share your thoughts)
0voters
On a scale of 1 to 10, how satisfied are you with the current state of minor nations in War Thunder?
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
0voters
Do you think the developers should focus more on improving minor nation tech trees, or do you prefer they concentrate on other aspects of the game?s
Improving minor nation tech trees
concentrate on other aspects of the game (leave (detailed)information to what you would like to see improved, and how the developers can possibly do it.
0voters
5. Any suggestions or ideas on how War Thunder could better support minor nations; if so, leave (detailed)information in the reply section and eleborate your reason.
Feel free to drop your opinions below! Let’s show some love to those minor nations and help make War Thunder even more awesome for everyone! ✈️🚚💥
My biggest complaint with minor nations is the quality of the additions and not necessarily the quantity.
I dont mind having fewer additions, but the vehicles that do get added are usually not that great and usually in a buggy state. For example.
Britian has one of the smallest Rank VI naval line-ups in game (despite the RN having the most options to be added) which wouldnt necessarily be an issue if the ships that were added were good. But we just got HMS Repulse which is a downgrade vs pretty much any other Rank VI already in game. Including those added a LONG time ago like Hood. They could have added something like HMS Warspite and it owuld have been an excellent top tier naval addition.
The other half, buggyness, you still have aircraft like the Sea Harrier FA2 with too many bugs to count which quite serverly affects its performance. I dont mind not getting a huge amount of aircraft, but at least make the ones that we do get in a usable state
I don’t really care about prioritizing improvements for certain trees, I’d just like to see certain nations represented, such as North Korea for China, South Korea for the U.S. and a Iran for the Soviets. Improvements will come in time for all nations anyway.
But are the improvements relative to the main four nations equal?
France:
Why does France have a gap between 9.7-12.0?
Why do they have almost NO lower tier - and lower tier unique - stuff, while France is renowned for their early war vehicles?
Why do they not have IFV’s in their TT despite the tens of options?
Why do they still lack SPAA despite options?
Israël:
Why do they not have IFV’s in their TT despite the tens of options?
Why do they still lack SPAA despite options?
Why are the unique vehicles not being added in the TT but as premiums or event vehicles?
Japan:
Why do they still lack SPAA despite options?
Why are the unique vehicles not being added in the TT but as premiums or event vehicles?
Why don’t they get their most produced bombers and strike aircraft?
Why don’t they get their well known naval vessels that are equal to most ships already at the br’s from 4.0-6.7?
Italy:
Why do they still lack SPAA despite options?
Why are the unique vehicles not being added in the TT but as premiums or event vehicles?
Why don’t they get their most produced bombers and strike aircraft?
Why do they have almost NO lower tier - and lower tier unique - stuff, while Italy is renowned for their early war vehicles, especially prototypes?
These issues were told to be solved over time, YET, “time” is exceeding the 8 years mark next year.
After 8 years, the most recent issues are still not resolved. Especially lower tier CAS for Japan, French lower tier unique vehicles and Italian additions.
IMPROVEMENTS were told to come, but haven’t. Not even after 8 years.
E.G. in the last 5 years; Japan has gotten only 9 planes for the TT. From which only 1 is WWII. The rest are the current day ones. Like the F-104, T-2, F-1, F-15’s and F-16.
There should really be an update focused purely on the most requested fixes for each nation - especially in the form of model accuracy and missing vehicles/poor lineups (but make sure to add only domestic vehicles).
I think a list of major things that should be addressed (in ground) are:
Modeling fixes for MBTs (armor, LWS, thermal generation, ammo and/or ready rack count, spall liners, etc.)
Adding domestic 2A7-/T-90M-level MBTs (if the above fixes aren’t enough)
Adding more top tier light tanks (or fixing the ones in game already)
Adding tanks to the more sizeable gaps in light, medium, heavy, etc. tanks
Adding heavy tanks to tech trees without them
Adding at least Pantsir-level domestic SPAA
Lowering the BRs of some tanks that have no reason to be so high
As an Italian ground player, my list for fixes would be:
Spoiler
Modeling the Ariete’s armor correctly
Raising the APFSDS limit on the OTOMATIC
And vehicle additions would be:
Adding actually good SPAA at mid-tier that don’t slowly get raised in BR even though their SPAA abilities are mid
Adding a real top tier SPAA
Adding an SPAA between 8.0 and 9.7
Adding an SPAA between 9.7 and 11.0 that isn’t Russian copy-paste
That would be lovely, but will never happen.
They always claim to have a lack of sources when looking at minor nations, eventhough its not true.
Look at the M735 nerf that is still not fixed because its a NATO vehicle.
Same reason why NATO radars are being nerfed by having no radar identification anymore.
But the point is. Challenger 3TD is a totally pointless vehicle to ever use. Would have been better to fix the CR2s instead. which have sooooo many issues that they are widely accepted as the second worst tank in game behind the Ariete. Even basic things like ready rack size wont be fixed.
ADATS is just as useless as most other minor nations and we dont really have good light tanks to fall back on either, arguably worse off than even italy in that respect
Helis, we have one of the weakest with the Teapache and not a lot else. Lynx is fine at 10.7 but teapache is useless at 12.0. We dont even have FnF AGMs
Aircraft, again… We have some good aircraft like the Gripen (which isnt even british though), but most of our Rank VIII are handicapped by fake nerfs like BOL being 1/4 the strength it should be and many of our aircraft have stupid restirctions. Like the Tornado Gr1 having the weakest engines for “reasons” or aircraft like the SHars having placeholder parts for 2 years. Just wish they put more effort into finishing what we do alreayd have and then you have new additions like the Tornado Gr4 with their decision regarding Brimstones just sucks. F3 Late and FA2 are basically unplayable at the moment.
as for naval. We have joint fewest Rank VI alongside France and Italy, but could easily have the most and the best. The fact the RN has fewer ships at top tier than the soviets, just sucks. Even below Rank VI though… we have some of the weakest heavy cruisers and our light cruisers can be a little lacking. Most of our dreadnoughts arent playable due to compression. They stand no chance vs any 7.0
Your rank VII might be bad for naval, but the rest isn’t.
Look at Japan and Italy, were it sucks to go from 3.3-6.7 and were you only have decent/equivalant ships compared to the rest at just 7.0.
Japan has WAY better heavy cruisers than Britain and then they have 6x more usable ships at top tier. The only one Britain has (on the actual TT) is Hood. Repulse and Marlborough arent any good.
It kinda depends on what mode, Air wise, I would probably say Israel feels the most neglected although not necessarily the weakest. Ground, I would say Israel again but I felt less so due to the recent reload buff. Japan perchance? Naval I never played so…
I’ve fought them loads. Britains heavies are all treaty cruisers. They can be rather lacking on armour. Most get shreaded by light cruisers fairly easily. Also the max guns we have is 8x 8" Several japanese heavies have 10x 8"
I put other on the second poll, so ill say why here;
Basically, the gameplay minor nations is the worst imo due to gaijin just throwing in random C&P filler subtrees instead of unique vehicles of either parent nation or sub nation, we have seen that the last several subtrees have brought almost no new or interesting vehicles, with BeNeLux only bringing a single new model and a few modified existing ones.
Whats even worse is that in several cases, the parent nation doesnt even want or need a subtree, British players asked for a light tank line years ago, there was a well written sugggestion on the old forums for a light tank line with a good amount of vehicles at all ranks, yet instead of getting domestic options, we got a South african subtree instead (dont get me wrong SA is probably the best subtree out there, but it wasnt really needed and could have been its out tree like israel)
We’ve also seen this case with france lately, with french players almost begging for a top tier light tank to play something other than a leclerc, and guess what, there a perfect option, the Vextra 120 based on an already existing model, but instead gaijin chose to add 3 copy and paste leopards, one of which has no lineup in the french tree at all, so probably wont be played by many players at all.
My main issue with Nations like France, Japan, Italy and Israel is the lack of domestic additions. Gaijin relies too much of Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, instead of taking time to add domestic vehicles. France has a ton of light tanks and SPAA that just don’t exist. The Israeli air tree is basically a mix of French, British, and American stuff, and Japan and Italy just don’t get the additions they need. Even China is missing a ton of modern domestic vehicles that they should get.
I don’t want to see Leopards in the French tree, or 90% of the BeNeLux air tree, and I don’t want to see the Finnish air tree bee 90% copy+paste.
I’d change this to a lack of vehicles in general. High tier isn’t the only important part of the game.
Japanese tanks are overall just not very good, while the air tree is fairly good up to rank IV, but it suffers due to overtiering issues. High tier air is incredibly barren and there should be something added, preferably a subtree of some sort.