Open cockpit canopy exploit needs to be eliminated

[vitour]

Once again, When you fly a plane that has a wind shield made for flying with opend cockpit you can, but when you take F-16? You cant fly F-16 above 300km/h without a cockpit closed. I said how the direct blow effect human and the plane. And you show a picture where are airplanes with opand cockpits. You have to understand the differenc.

@PercussionCap

In-game dive limit for He 112 is 680kph, including a little increase as a safety margin.

It is, but that is speed where plane gets destroyed by the force of the wind. Its not a speed thay would dive in. I will beleve that thay usually flew at 400km/h not more. And diveing. Thay would go intothe dive slowest thay could and thay wound get into that hight speed.

I understand that you think it might effect older planes with opend cockpit but it wount just becouse those planes were build the way, so thay arent effected anyhow by the wind.

[Schindibee]

@PercussionCap

mandatory " F7U Cutlass when???"

[vitour]

@Schindibee

That would make it impossible for all hinged canopies to intentionally be opened in flight

This is in the game, you cant open canopies in higher speeds, but when you takeoff with opened canopie it will break in hight speed and it will stay opened. And it this case you want to force the player to close it while he still can, or make him land and repair.

[PercussionCap]

@vitour

Once again, When you fly a plane that has a wind shield made for flying with opend cockpit you can, but when you take F-16? You cant fly F-16 above 300km/h without a cockpit closed. I said how the direct blow effect human and the plane. And you show a picture where are airplanes with opand cockpits. You have to understand the differenc.

Then make it clear in your posts that this would ONLY affect jets with F-16 -style canopies, instead of what you ACTUALLY wrote:

@vitour

So, i would suggest that when flying over 300km/h it would shake and blur the view plus the sounds caused by the wind would multiply. and when flying over 450km/h i would darken the view like a blackout. and if the player climbed to an altitude of 5 km, he would die after 30 seconds.

Because this is completely unrealistic for the other 99% of aircraft in the game.

@vitour

but that is speed where plane gets destroyed by the force of the wind. Its not a speed thay would dive in.

No, this is still a speed at which it is still safe to dive. Going beyond it would be very risky, but many pilots have survived overspeeding their aircraft.

@vitour

I will beleve that thay usually flew at 400km/h not more.

Do you have a source for this?

@vitour

And diveing. Thay would go intothe dive slowest thay could and thay wound get into that hight speed.

Do you have a source for this too?

@vitour

I understand that you think it might effect older planes with opend cockpit but it wount

If you make the pilots black out when flying above 450kph yes it would affect them.

@Schindibee

It would be so ass but I still want it…

[RunaDacino]

@Schindibee

That would make it impossible for all hinged canopies to intentionally be opened in flight, but still allow the props

I wouldn’t bar hinged canopies from being open. There’s a good number of propeller planes with hinged canopies that you would pop open before landing for both visibility and safety in event of engine damage requiring rapid egress.

Also I found this while trying to find footage:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205212811

In 1943, DG200 was put into storage, eventually moving to St Athan in 1969 for refurbishment. Once restored to its wartime paint scheme, it moved to the Royal Air Force Museum, Hendon in 1976, where it is presently on display in the Battle of Britain Hall. DG200 is seen here being flown without its cockpit canopy, which was removed (and never replaced) while the aircraft was at Hucknall to enable Wing Commander J H Heyworth, a Rolls-Royce test pilot who was very tall, to fit into the cockpit.

Spitfire takeoff & landing:

SUPERMARINE SPITFIRE. Take off and Landing Guide.

APPROACHING THE AERODROME : -
From around 1500 ft and as soon as you can see the Aerodrome once more, begin to THROTTLE BACK. Then REDUCE HEIGHT to BELOW 1000 ft and head for the DOWNWIND SIDE OF AIRFIELD. Cage the Directional Gyro now, to avoid possible damage on landing.
Check around the sky and down on the airfield to look for other planes on the move, as well as a glance at the instruments.

CIRCLE THE AERODROME : -
Notify control tower of intention to land. Then take a look at the windsock and along the landing strip.
With your LEFT HAND pull the COCKPIT HOOD RIGHT BACK, then push HALF OPEN the COCKPIT DOOR to lock the hood in the safety position.
FLYING DOWN WIND : -
On the DOWNWIND approach pull the THROTTLE BACK a touch more, Then move the AIR SCREW LEVER fully forward to FINE PITCH, and finally pull the MIXTURE CONTROL lever right BACK to the RICH SETTING. Use the throttle control alongside with working the control column to reduce the airspeed to below 180 m.p.h.
Then move your LEFT HAND OFF the THROTTLE Lever and OVER to the CONTROL STICK, and at the same time move your RIGHT HAND OVER to the UNDERCARRIAGE CONTROL LEVER. Lift it out of the TOP GATE SLOT and move it DOWN until the lever locks back into the BOTTOM GATE SLOT. Listen for the double clonk sound of the undercarriage, and then check the COCKPIT INDICATOR has changed from red to GREEN, to confirm that the wheels are now DOWN AND LOCKED.
OPEN the RADIATOR SHUTTER by pushing the stick fully FORWARD. Then pull the THROTTLE LEVER BACK a little more.
FLYING CROSS WIND : -
Start to turn into CROSSWIND. The airspeed indicator should now be reading about 140 m.p.h. It is time to press the FLAPS control switch DOWN.
The Altimeter should be reading about 250 ft above the Aerodrome.
Feel the Spitfire slow up as you begin the steady and continuous curved downward approach into wind, half a mile from the boundary hedge.
SIDESLIPPING your Spitfire is a useful way to LOOSE HEIGHT, while still keeping a curved approach. Keep a look out of the cockpit side at all times for a clear sky and clear runway coming up soon below.

Now, the spitfire does use a sliding canopy, but it does illustrate.

[Schindibee]

@vitour

You cant fly F-16 above 300km/h without a cockpit closed.

Hehe yeah, imagine in WT F-16 looses its flaps at 460 km/h and not damages but destroys its undercarriage at 480 km/h, but the pilot enjoys to dogfight at supersonic speeds in a cabrio, eh? = )

[vitour]

@PercussionCap

If you make the pilots black out when flying above 450kph yes it would affect them.

Read the rest.

@PercussionCap

Because this is completely unrealistic for the other 99% of aircraft in the game.

No, the air flows allways the same. When the aircraft has opend cockpit, and is not made for it, the wind will get in and it will effect the pilot and the flight preformence.

[PercussionCap]

@vitour

No, the air flows allways the same. When the aircraft has opend cockpit, and is not made for it, the wind will get in and it will effect the pilot and the flight preformence.

Are you saying there should be NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL between this:

And this?:

[vitour]

There will, but in both the wind will get in and will effect the pilot. Now you are fighting from the last breath.

[PercussionCap]

So how would that affect them in-game?

[LuftMaus]

this seems more complicated imho cuz this is only using existing mechanic bugs errors and flaws hard to attribute to not existing part of the game

@Schindibee

think no physical details are needed

i think details or estimayions are needed for every plane yo know ay which speed u can do normal landing emergency landing and ay which speed u have problems wiyh flying

@Schindibee

but the pilot enjoys to dogfight at supersonic speeds in a cabrio, eh? = )

what is ‘approach speed’ f-14 source needed

@vitour

When the aircraft has opend cockpit, and is not made for it, the wind will get in and it will effect the pilot and the flight preformence.

read cockpit pressure change report
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA801370.pdf unclude windshield and canopy design and add some aerodynamics
then get more interested start digging and find more data :)

[vitour]

when flying over 300km/h it would shake and blur the view plus the sounds caused by the wind would multiply. and when flying over 450km/h i would darken the view like a blackout but not lost of the control.

[Schindibee]

@RunaDacino

Also I found this while trying to find footage:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205212811

But that’s exactly my point. The Bf-109 was not a standard case, and the Spitfire as you say yourself has a sliding canopy.

My point is a hinged canopy that is opened in flight quite quickly becomes a ripped-off-canopy. That’s not standard procedure in any aircraft I am familiar with or have heard of.

Actually, when I was a kid I could fly with my dad in his friends Beech Bonanza (the one with the V-tail), and because the lock of the passenger door unlocked somehow during flight (we were planning to join up with a Ju-52 for a photoshoot…), my dad had to hold it in place so it wouldn’t get detached and possibly damage the tailplane. I remember how deafening the noise was even in that slow Bonanza, and how my dad struggled to hold on to the door, fighting the wind.

[PercussionCap]

@vitour

and when flying over 450km/h i would darken the view like a blackout

Do you have a source for this? Preferably not from chat gpt this time.

[vitour]

It is a suggestion on what to do, 450km/h is enought to desroy the view, but there is no sorce for that. If someone think its too much it doesnt have to be there.
I just inmagine what it feels like to be in a 450km/h wind.

[PercussionCap]

Ah, so you have no source. Great.

[vitour]

Sorce, ok, here is one, it shows the effect of 30m/s wind on human body. Just so everyone know 450km/h is about 125 m/s and 300km/h is 84m/s.
On this study thay came to the end that wind about 30m/s is enought to lay down a normaly hight man.

News paper where it was publisted

The wind gusts effects on human body based on cfd simulations – STUME Journals

The study
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346967209_The_Wind_Gusts_Effects_on_Human_Body_based_on_CFD_Simulations

[LuftMaus]

u can find something related to aviation

[PercussionCap]

@vitour

Sorce, ok, here is one, it shows the effect of 30m/s wind on human body. Just so everyone know 450km/h is about 125 m/s and 300km/h is 84m/s.

By the study’s own description:

“For this study, we considered a human body with a height of 172cm. The investigation takes into account two different positions against the wind, frontal and lateral position traversed by wind speeds levels of 20m/s, 30m/s, and 40 m/s.”

These forces are experienced by someone NOT IN A COCKPIT, out in the open standing up. This is not related to the current topic at all.

[vitour]

This is ment to show the force of the wind that can nock you to the grownd.
But you needed it, when you didnt beleve me that wind cant make you weep. So i gave you this, if only 30 m/s can nock you to the ground 125 m/s can shake your head and even tear the goggles of your head.

I dont know what are you fighting for, we both dont want players to fly with opend cockpits with the planes that are unflyabe with opend cockpit, so i gave more than enought evidence and solutions to finally getting rid of those players.