Op missiles

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Bazingabrain

Awesome, still won’t touch it, I already have an F1 and I do very well in it now that i’ve learned the ins and outs of its FM and how to play it in ARB. And you’re still ignoring the reason people buy the F1C is because they dont have access to the french air tree in the first place, wall-argument.png

i never said u were forced to play F1CT, bruh.
and i already know people buy the F1C-200 cuz they have nothing but reserve planes in Fr*nce.

@Bazingabrain

The R24R is the only real threat you can face as the F1C,

cof cof AIM-7F with good radar locking on da big baguette plane cof cof

@Bazingabrain

yeah the phoenix can kill you I guess but in close to 220 games in the F1C i died maybe 5 times to one because I was tabbed out

the only way u can die against a Phoenix is if the enemy launches it at like 10km or less or if u don’t know a sh*t about notching.

@Bazingabrain

7F is a joke and trivial to notch just like the phoenix is unless you’re slow as balls and caught in the air in which case anything can kill you and you should never go slow in the F1C in the first place.

F-4J/S gets way better radar than the F-4E, combined with the 3rd best Sparrow (which is sadly still a Sparrow) it’s an actually deadly aircraft.

@Bazingabrain

And it’s adequate for me and many other good players to make an educated guess as to where the baddies are and what we should be doing moment to moment. Also i see you throw the r27er around like it’s a boogeyman but frankly in hundreds of games i maybe died to it a dozen times, the biggest threats to the F1C (and F1’s in general) arent radar missiles; it’s getting boxed in by much better airframes that will slowly chip away your energy and force you slow and high power irccm missiles like the 9m/aam3, hell even a well timed r60m can end your match and punch through your flares, you’ve got a bigass engine that runs quite hot.

1. no, if u don’t have a good RWR, not even if u are a “good player”, u will not be able survive against SARH/ARH missiles. go play MiG-21SMT in an uptier and u will see what i mean when i say u NEED a good RWR.
2. no, i don’t throw the R-27ER around like it’s a boogeyman, i see u have basically never faced a R-27ER in ur entire life cuz that missile is basically the best SARH missile with the best maneuverability/top speed/range/multi-functioning ingame. at least when i played it (when it was still meta), getting a kill with the ER was ez asf.
3. AIM-9M sucks, AAM-3 is the same BS but slightly better, R-60M can be one-flared at 1m cuz it literally has no flare resistance and if u dare to say it can actually ignore flares i will fr flag any of ur next replies.

@Bazingabrain

Anyway this argument has run its course, and not to be rude but you havent flown a single F1, at all, not the premium, nor the tech tree variant, so I don’t get why you’re yapping at me about the F1CT’s rwr vs the F1C when you never got to experience the difference for yourself…?

why do all WT players say the same BS?

i don’t even need to play F1C/CT to know that the CT is way better at anything while sitting at the same BR (which is unfair). just by looking at the ingame data (RWR, ballistic computer, stats, modernity, etc) i can clearly know which F1 is better.

F1C/F1C-200 sucks most of the time and basically the only reason of why it sits at 12.0 is cuz it has Magic 2s. F1CT has Magic 2s in stock while F1C doesn’t and F1C-200 wouldn’t if it wasn’t a premium.

the F1CT should be a premium, not a copy-paste version of a tech tree plane with “200” attached to it’s name.

i’m currently grinding France with NF-5A (i wanted F1C-200 but it wasn’t on sale) and im near of getting my first F1.

[Bazingabrain]

@Flanker_Thunder

cof cof AIM-7F with good radar locking on da big baguette plane cof cof

the same AIM 7F that you can roll? yeah right.

@Flanker_Thunder

the only way u can die against a Phoenix is if the enemy launches it at like 10km or less or if u don’t know a sh*t about notching.

Yeah, basically what I said, it only filters tabbed out people and wallet warriors who bought in with zero experience.

@Flanker_Thunder

F-4J/S

@Flanker_Thunder

deadly aircraft.

huh uh.

huuuuh uh

@Flanker_Thunder

no, if u don’t have a good RWR, not even if u are a “good player”, u will not be able survive against SARH/ARH missiles. go play MiG-21SMT in an uptier and u will see what i mean when i say u NEED a good RWR.

Apples to oranges dude, we’re not talking about the mig21smt here.

@Flanker_Thunder

no, i don’t throw the R-27ER around like it’s a boogeyman, i see u have basically never faced a R-27ER in ur entire life cuz that missile is basically the best SARH missile with the best maneuverability/top speed/range/multi-functioning ingame. at least when i played it (when it was still meta), getting a kill with the ER was ez asf.

I fly the kfir C10 often so I do face it but I usually just notch it because R27ER carriers also tend to have a dogshit radar. Yes it’s the best SARH in the game, no it’s not undefeatable, you can even thrash it kinematically with a wide turn and a slight climb if you’re far enough.

@Flanker_Thunder

AIM-9M sucks, AAM-3 is the same BS but slightly better, R-60M can be one-flared at 1m cuz it literally has no flare resistance and if u dare to say it can actually ignore flares i will fr flag any of ur next replies.

Aim9M/AAM3 literally have the same seeker, the only difference is one pulls somewhat better, the r60m can go through flares if you’re on full burner and spamming flares like a monkey, hell I’ve had aim9G’s go through flares rear aspect on players that were full afterburning and going straight. And please, keep telling me you’re going to abuse flagging, I’m sure someone on the staff will have a lovely chat with you about ToS and what they entail.

@Flanker_Thunder

why do all WT players say the same BS?

Because experience gives us the insight we need to avoid running our mouths about vehicles we’ve never tried before? If I were to barge in the mig29 thread and run my mouth about a hyper specific thing even though I’ve never flown it I would get widespread ridicule and mockery from the regulars of that thread, not to mention mass flaging for derailing wink wink

@Flanker_Thunder

just by looking at the ingame data (RWR, ballistic computer, stats, modernity, etc) i can clearly know which F1 is better.

In game data =/= Match performance.

@Flanker_Thunder

F1C/F1C-200 sucks most of the time and basically the only reason of why it sits at 12.0 is cuz it has Magic 2s. F1CT has Magic 2s in stock while F1C doesn’t and F1C-200 wouldn’t if it wasn’t a premium.

Maybe instead of looking at in game data that isn’t relevant you might want to take a look at actual relevant data from players that completely disproves your point, but what do I know.

@Flanker_Thunder

i’m currently grinding France with NF-5A (i wanted F1C-200 but it wasn’t on sale) and im near of getting my first F1.

well maybe you should wait till you get the F1 before going on a massive rant about the rwr of two jets you’ve never flown against a guy who’s flown the plane you’re moaning about extensively, yeah?

anyway let’s stick to the topic, this clown argument isn’t productive.

[Bazingabrain]

Alright back on topic.

- YouTube

OP, watch this, it’s probably the most grounded and best put together video on notching you can find out there, and the guy who made it also uses a dogshit airframe proving that you can notch in anything.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Bazingabrain

the same AIM 7F that you can roll? yeah right.

Tell me how many times have u barrel rolled an AIM-7F, smart guy.

@Bazingabrain

huh uh.

huuuuh uh

Flanker_Thunder:

F-4S is played by lvl 1 wallet warriors, it obviously has bad stats. If ur brains combines world stats with ingame performance then i need to tell u that u’re wrong. Btw i was talking about plane performance, not PLAYER performance. And btw u showed the wrong planes (probably on purpose), i was talking about the american F-4J, the TT one.

@Bazingabrain

Apples to oranges dude, we’re not talking about the mig21smt here.

But we’re talking about trash RWR, aren’t we? Learn to read.

@Bazingabrain

I fly the kfir C10 often so I do face it but I usually just notch it because R27ER carriers also tend to have a dogshit radar.

Never happened to me, and btw R-27ER has IOG so Su-27s and their ugly radar can relock u with ease.

@Bazingabrain

you can even thrash it kinematically with a wide turn and a slight climb if you’re far enough.

Lol pls tell me u drank something poisonous while writing THIS.

@Bazingabrain

the r60m can go through flares if you’re on full burner and spamming flares like a monkey

R-60M has ABSOLUTELY no flares resistance, and u’re an idiot if u believe that.
No matter how much spam do u do, if anything drops a flare, ur R-60M is basically cooked. A FLY could poop a 0.0000000001m sized flare from it’s ass and the R-60M would go for it.

@Bazingabrain

Because experience gives us the insight we need to avoid running our mouths about vehicles we’ve never tried before?

Mmmm what about irl information found everywhere? Even in the most military and suspicious websites with actually real information of a certain vehicle? What about videos and YTbers? Isn’t that valid?

@Bazingabrain

In game data =/= Match performance.

Oh dear god u need to be kidding.
Did u know they’re the same aircraft at the same BR, right? Match performance is the same with the F1CT being slightly better in the defense department.

@Bazingabrain

Maybe instead of looking at in game data that isn’t relevant you might want to take a look at actual relevant data from players that completely disproves your point, but what do I know.

So u just proved my point, thx for that.

@Bazingabrain

well maybe you should wait till you get the F1 before going on a massive rant about the rwr of two jets you’ve never flown against a guy who’s flown the plane you’re moaning about extensively, yeah?

The only plane u flown is a premium version of a TT vehicle u’re showing me u also don’t own, so saying F1C is better than F1CT just cuz u played a premium BS and NOT the actual F1CT tells a lot more than what i have said till now. U literally admitted u don’t want to play with that planes due to the stock grind, which says a lot about ur lazyness of actually proving that u’re right.

[markimash]

@Bazingabrain

I’d argue don’t do it no matter the BR tbh, staying high gives you an immense advantage

Staying high also means you get eaten alive by anything with ARH.

[141_allen]

Honestly didn’t have any trouble with either. DO have trouble with R-27ER/R-27ET though, but I guess that ain’t just me being hit by one without ever suspecting.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@markimash

Staying high also means you get eaten alive by anything with ARH.

If u don’t have chaff, yes, if u have, skill issue.

[Bazingabrain]

@Flanker_Thunder

Tell me how many times have u barrel rolled an AIM-7F, smart guy.

Many times, if you care that much you can go watch replays of all my 211 games in the F1C.

@Flanker_Thunder

F-4S is played by lvl 1 wallet warriors, it obviously has bad stats. If ur brains combines world stats with ingame performance then i need to tell u that u’re wrong. Btw i was talking about plane performance, not PLAYER performance.

Nice so we’re moving the goalpost yet again because your argument is paper thin, please keep going this is very amusing. And if you want people to understand your points better I suggest you stop vagueposting, it’s annoying. Player perfomance is a good indicator of a plane’s perfomance, graphs and data and whatever else you’re yapping about don’t matter in a vacuum, match performance does though.

@Flanker_Thunder

And btw u showed the wrong planes (probably on purpose), i was talking about the american F-4J, the TT one.

surprise, surprise, it’s still got dogshit stats.

@Flanker_Thunder

But we’re talking about trash RWR, aren’t we? Learn to read.

… on the mirage F1’s, a totally different aircraft, cute attempt though A+ for effort.

@Flanker_Thunder

Never happened to me, and btw R-27ER has IOG so Su-27s and their ugly radar can relock u with ease.

skill issue

@Flanker_Thunder

Lol pls tell me u drank something poisonous while writing THIS.

Skill. Issue.

@Flanker_Thunder

R-60M has ABSOLUTELY no flares resistance, and u’re an idiot if u believe that.
No matter how much spam do u do, if anything drops a flare, ur R-60M is basically cooked. A FLY could poop a 0.0000000001m sized flare from it’s ass and the R-60M would go for it.

@Flanker_Thunder

Learn to read.

Giving you back some of that snark because you conveniently chose to ignore the part where I said that any missile will punch through flares if the guy you’re firing at is afterburning and going straight. Again, cute.

@Flanker_Thunder

Mmmm what about irl information found everywhere? Even in the most military and suspicious websites with actually real information of a certain vehicle? What about videos and YTbers? Isn’t that valid?

We’re talking about the F1 in the game, not in real life. What the fuck are you even talking about at this point.

@Flanker_Thunder

Oh dear god u need to be kidding.
Did u know they’re the same aircraft at the same BR, right? Match performance is the same with the F1CT being slightly better in the defense department.

@Flanker_Thunder

So u just proved my point, thx for that.

…no? It literally shows you clear as day that your supposedly better F1 with its apparently amazing RWR actually does worse in game than the “worse” one with the basic RWR. Is there a fucking gas leak in your room?

@Flanker_Thunder

The only plane u flown is a premium version of a TT vehicle u’re showing me u also don’t own, so saying F1C is better than F1CT just cuz u played a premium BS and NOT the actual F1CT tells a lot more than what i have said till now. U literally admitted u don’t want to play with that planes due to the stock grind, which says a lot about ur lazyness of actually proving that u’re right.

…yeah there’s def a gas leak in your room, need to get that checked. Or maybe your spelling is that bad, idk.

Anyway please keep yapping, I love arguing with players like you that make assumptions about vehicles they don’t have.

The best part is you’re arguing about something that nobody gives a damn about, the two causes of deaths for experienced players in jets like the F1s are usually guns and IR missiles while dogfighting somebody, radar missiles at 12.0 are still easy to dodge, the only real radar missile threat at the BR, again, is the R24R because of its insane accel and excellent low alt perfomance. And that thing can still can be avoided RWR or not by simply looking around and positioning properly.

[141_allen]

With some vehicles you will run out pretty quickly so I do get that. Especially with how much ARM spam there is due to the AESA and increased loadouts.

[Hylian_Knights]

@Bazingabrain @Flanker_Thunder Going forward lets stay on topic, and avoid insulting each other.

[Flanker_Thunder]

@141_allen

With some vehicles you will run out pretty quickly so I do get that

bro, i play russian planes with their limited 96 CM and i almost never run out of them. if u spam them like a scared mouse u will obviously run out of them, u usually just need like 4 large chaff to dodge an ARH missile, more if it’s near u or in a blind spot and u noticed it late.

[Morvran]

I think one of the only aircraft that can legit complain about CM count is the 13.3 F-16s

[Flanker_Thunder]

@Morvran_

13.3 F-16s

which of them?

[Morvran]

the F-16As, the US one at least has 30 CMs and 15 LCMs

[Flanker_Thunder]

yeah they should give it more CM or remove the AMRAAMs of it so it can stand a chance against Fox-3s with so limited CMs.

[Morvran]

Well… It just got AMRAAM, so I doubt they will remove it :D

[Flanker_Thunder]

[141_allen]

96 is plenty, especially 96 large, but what about say 72, or even 45. That is 100% not enough to stay up.

[Morvran]

45 no, 72… Depends how you fly, Stay defensive, use range and kinematics to defeat missiles where you can, should be perfectly managable. and I assume you mean the J-10C which I think is also large not standard

If you are zerg rushing down the centre of the map and inviting everyone to fire at you, then of course you’ll run out fast

[Flanker_Thunder]

@141_allen

96 is plenty, especially 96 large, but what about say 72, or even 45. That is 100% not enough to stay up.

1. no, 96 is not plenty, talk about F-15I with 240 normal CM which means u just need to drop double the amount than u would with large CM.
2. many toptier planes with low amounts of countermesures usually use large countermesures (J-10 for example), and planes with 45 CM usually have also 15 large CM (whatever i agree that they should go down in BR or smth due to the low amount).