The TEAM effort to actually win and do well, you know, the overall objective of a game where winning and losing matters.
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And thats the point. Winning of losing matter to you. I play game to have fun. I have fun either way. Winning is just a bonus for me.
Nah, it’s not just me.
Its not, but it also not just me that winning or loosing doesn’t matter the same as it does to you.
You’re in a thread where the topic is about the ODLs, and the fact that this isn’t the first thread.
We’re also concerned more for the passive behaviour of those who think they are psychic and are genuinely just selfish, and ignorant of anyone else other than their own issues.
Much the same as the dismisal of the idea that you play a game to win… You don’t play the game to throw in the towel and quit.
If you don’t actually like the map, don’t spawn… If you don’t like the nation config, don’t spawn… Quit out, go play the next match and let someone else WHO IS GOING TO TRY take your place…
By taking that slot, spawning once then bailing, you’re actually making us not get a more suitable replacement.
Therefore it’s not just about ‘winning’ as you try make out, it’s about me expecting teams to do what’s needed to play the game…
Not just play like the misinterpretation you’ve solidified in your head.
For you. But game doesn’t specify “what is needed to play the game”. For you playing the game is making an effort to win. For me it is not. For me playing the game is having fun destroying opponent vehicles and win is just a bonus.
Thats why ODL bothers you more than it bothers me.
It’s cool that you know what my angle is…
Because you actually don’t…
I just don’t want chicken teammates who can’t handle any difference in situation and prefer to bail out.
It’s not over till your mom is hollering.
And it bothers you when you get chicken teammates. I am not bothered when I get chicken teamates which leave because I play to disrupt opponent effort to win with or without teammates.
Since you mentioned chicken I am more bothered with teammates which play like headless chicken and give opponent free kils than ones which leave after 1st death.
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Why’s it all about me alone, there’s many of us are tired of this selfish act, hence why we’re talking about it more…
The fact we can show how many are doing it, then it’s nothing comapred to you trying to say people are feeding… If I even get one kill, my death is justified… Even if I get an assist or help someone by distracting another, it’s better than one and doning it and bailing out.
The real issue that I have with you trying so hard to make it about me, is you’re actually detracting from the point, as if you’re trying to validate the act…
They aren’t psychic, they don’t know how it’s going to play out, they don’t know ifr the other team is going to be any good based on the nation they are facing or the map they are on…
None of it… But you want to say you are.
If you aren’t going to play the game, as you’d even have any inkling of playing a game to ACTUALLY win, then I’d rather you get penalized…
The fact that people are doing this, and ARE affecting OTHER PLAYERS MATCHES, makes it a problem, that, as this thread is trying to point out, needs to be fixed…
And not by bowing to demands from those who do this nonsense, but to actually force them to choose to spawn, or leave, and give them the penalty for not choosing to play.
After all, it is your choice to accept the crew lock… We should enforce this more, as the ODLs are genuinely not playing the game.
But it is your problem. Gaijin doesn’t have problem with that. If they did it would be fixed long time ago.
That is also not entirely true. What if player kills 6 opponent vehicles, dies and doesn’t spawn back because in time he had 6 kills his team on average had only 1.5? Its also ODL by definition by he played the game while his team didn’t.
And we’re raising the actual point here… Keep up please…
He’s taken 600 tickets off a team, and he’s given them 100, so therefore the team can die 5 times and his efforts will be taken up…
But that is IF they get that many… Many of the ODLs scoreboards show a very different depiction of this.
I’m sorry, but you really do just make too many excuses to be taken seriously anymore.
We don’t need to fix the game as much as players need to fix themselves.
Unfortunately you are not as it was disucussed numerous times and nothing changed.
So you have actual data to prove that or its only your opinion based on personal observation which means exactly the same as if someone else who says the opposite.
We’re in this thread… Maybe you do need to look about…
The screenshots in the various posts about this, show this. It’s not as if they’d be complaining about people who have actually got over 1000 in the scoreboard, which is the main angle of this problem…
These players aren’t getting anything and are bailing out, and you’re excusing it as any reason you can find to make out that it’s a player choice, which it is, but many of the rest of us are tired at having this be a thing.
And it’s why this thread and others like it have been made.
I don’t care as to why you want to excuse it, but that means you condone it, and that is a direct statement I can make towards your posts, and quite frankly, I don’t agree with forcing peopel to play the game, but they made the choice to queue…
Play the hand you were dealt.
Except that is not the case seeing as we have a penalty for leaving early and have an option to rejoin if that’s the case.
The only reason they allow you to leave if you have one vehicle on the line up is because it encourages a lot of people to buy premiums which makes them money.
We are, but you don’t get the point. Gaijin cares about two things. Money and queue time. If what you are suggesting would increase money income or lower/not change queue time something would br done about ODL. But harsher punishments would affect queue time. Making players use more vehicles which they don’t have if they bought only high BR premium would affect premium sales. Thats why Gaijin wont do anything about ODL. For them it works as intended. Queue time is OK, premiums are selling.
Exactly. And thats why they wont change anything.
I think you weigh too much on the angle of them ‘suffering’ through people not buying things… This is almost tantamount to mere blackmail, the same as the review bombing that started this forums life.
Seems like you are eager for that mindset to keep controlling the game rather than actually getting better at the game…
Too bad that isn’t the way the game should go.
I am not. Its how F2P games work. You get free game to play but stuff they sell along side has very big priority because they want to make money of course.
How long did it take for them to remove ATGMs from first spawning helis like Ka-50? It took more than 6 months. Why? Because players were buying them like crazy.
ODL situation started when they introduced XM-1 and Leo A1A1 L44. Since we don’t have access to old forums I cannot find exact date it was but it was pretty long ago. There where hundreds of threads of that type since then and nothing changed because premiums are keep selling. They sold them a lot and still are. Check TS and youll see that premium vehicles are in very top of played vehicles.
But not every one of those purchasers will be a one spawn wonder… Some of them will play the game out, that’s why I say you are weighing too much on it.
You are overly confident, so much so you assume my position, and make my argument for me, when it’s clear it’s not what you say at all.
It’s not just about me, but others that end up facing this… And the urge to single me out, is just you having trouble with having an opposing opinion rendered, that jeopardizes what you are actively condoning.
We’re here trying to raise that issue to gaijin and to others, we’re not the ones excusing the choice these players make.
OK. Well, good luck with that as its Gaijin you need to persuade not others. Gaijin changes things when it suits them.
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