Olifant MK1B "Optimum" suggestion

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OLIFANT MK1B “Optimum” suggestion.

In the late 1990’s the SANDF looked for ways to upgrade its current Olifant MK1B fleet. Denel was tasked at the upgrade, LEW a division of Denel had designed a brand-new turret and upgraded an existing MK1B hull. This prototype was known as the “Optimum” or “Optimal” and tested in 2003. However, because of budget constraints the Optimum was cancelled and they went on to design the Olifant MK2 as we see in-game.

The optimum turret was known as the Olifant 2 turret but because of budget cuts they fell back on the Olifant MK1B turret and decided to digitize the internals based on the technology developed for the Optimum turret. Which would lead to the Olifant MK2 turret. The Optimum prototype featured a brand-new turret with arrowheads made of advanced ceramics and featured blow out panels protecting the crew in case of the ammunition being ignited. The turret also had a ready rack that allowed for 10 rounds to be fired per minute. T he gunner has access to day and night thermal sight. The commander has an independent passive night sight as mentioned in the attached Pamphlet of LEW or LIW a division of DENEL.

The Hull itself also received rubber side plates protecting it from HEAT rounds. Given that the Hull was based on the MK1B hull, it is feasible it will have the same engine performance as the Olifant MK1B which had at a minimum a Continental 29 litre turbo-charged air-cooled V12 diesel engine that produced 850 hp at 2400rpm with 14.4 hp/t. Considering the Optimum would have been the “Olifant 2” if budget reductions were not introduced, it is possible the Optimum would have had similar engine upgrades featured on the Olifant MK2.

The main armament consists of a GT-8 1 05mm main gun and would allow for the same ammunition choices found on the Olifant MK2. The coax machine-gun would be a MG-4 Browning machine gun chambered in 7.62x51.

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Olifant MK1B optimum on display at DEXSA, 2000.

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Olifant MK1B Optimum current on display at the South African Armour museum

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Olifant MK1B Optimum during field trails

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Sources consulted :

  • LIW(Denel) “Olifant 2 Combat Turret” pamphlet.

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  • South African Armoured Fighting Vehicles: A History of Innovation and Excellence, 1960-2020 written by Dr Dewald Venter page 61 under the Olifant MK1B Optimum heading.

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+1, would be a neat addition to SA sub-tree.

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Pretty cool! Love the funky turret armor. 1

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it would make a great addition to the britishs tree under the ttd

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+1 this would be amazing to have in-game

I neeed this in warthunder

+1 for independent SA TT.

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It is trying so very hard to be a leopard 2A5, i love it!
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How good is the protection of the composite

YES. This would be a massive help to cap off the SA tree after the TTD

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If the TTD got its proper Unclassified docs of it armour then this would work as a great middle ground between the 105 TTD and 120 TTD production model

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The 120mm TTD is unlikely to ever be added, unfortunately. The 120mm GT-6 was built but never mounted. Maybe in a few years if they relax their requirements for vehicles to be added.

Side question, what’s wrong with the armour? How much better should it be?

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Better than M1A2 but worse than M1A2 SEP

Edit: Turret cheeks and sides, also stronger than Leo 2A5 and M1A2 frontal plates (2A5 upper frontal)(M1A2 lower Frontal)

Do you have a source or forum post or bug report that talks about this?

Unfortunately not so we could never see the real armour in-game, but I saw the files and docs they were in and I was quite surprised how good the armour values compared to the leaked Abrams armour or Leopard 2A5 armour

TTD turret with 120mm and commander’s independent sight.
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Turret, 29 Dec 2023

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This isn’t the TTD turret, it’s the turret for the Optimum without the additional armour

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And it has the 105mm gun, not the 120mm.
Compare:

This is the 120mm during testing:
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You seem to be correct, I think I was confused by the different mantlet.

Would the TTD production model have been able to use the same composite as the Optimum?

Did the Optimum have a new turret?

Really good extract, I’ve never seen that before.

The turret-only images are constantly being used to show ‘120mm TTD turret’, it’s interesting to see that disproved.

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