So, having much lower profile, armor at high angles that makes APDSFS bounce, empty space and empty turret (if gunner dies), better HP/t ratio, better elevation angles, better round penetration - is worse than not having that at all and not worth the BR gap?
Understandable.
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That is a great suggesting, keep the hstvl where it is and give it what it SHOULD have. Which would make it warrant being 11.3 or 11.7
It’s 11.3 rn
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Weird to call it less survivable and show you getting hit with many shots. going through the back out the front multiple times and then driving off fine.
If that’s shit survivability, I’ll have what you’re having.
Additionally, your comment about load times, you know it’s easier to load a new 120mm than clear a 240 with a jam in combat scenarios. I’m pretty sure it also takes longer to reload a Bradley’s, but I could be wrong.
The size of the caliber is irrelevant, so much more to quick reload times than that unless we start talking about like those Taiwanese massive 240lb/kilo artillery cannons.
I think I’ve quoted you before on this. No one will ever be able to convince me otherwise and it’s weird that it only protects one nations tanks. I’m not bitching about France when a round goes internal.
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That literally what I just said, keep to where it is and give its correct battle loadout or move it up to 11.7.
We are obviously not playing the same game. Either playing as RU or Germans or US top tier its always the same. Leos and Abrams can survive a few PENETRATIONS before dying meanwhile RU survives ONLY if you shoot the mantlet first. SPAA being weak on other countries isnt the fault of the RU. US has BY FAR the best CAS stuff
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The 2S38 should go up in BR but the HSTV-L should get its fixes/full capabilities, its APFSDS-T round corrected and receive its other round, and remain where it’s at. The HSTV-L is a very good light tank that is excellent on hills and its quick maneuverability puts in work.
2S38 is anti-air anything honestly and easily can play well against 10.0+. Should be 10.7 imo but nothing greater.
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The HSTV-L is a better tank for anti tank but it lacks the extreme multi-role the 2S38 has while also being so high in BR its not even capable of seeing the 2S38 in matchmaking despite there not being a large difference in performance in what their role is…
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Giving HSTVL a better round would make it go higher than the M1A2 in BR.
That’s the only buff it’d allegedly get.
Everything else isn’t a buff.
@Yontzee
2S38’s BR is already higher than its anti-air capability so that’s irrelevant.
And 2S38’s twin is in Sweden: Strf 9040C.
That’s what makes HSTVL so much better.
These vehicles have their BRs due to their anti-tank performance. After all, 2S38’s anti-air performance is 9.7 at best.
I’m okay with that cuz it’s fast as heck, Great Depression and decently quiet if I remember right. Everything else is what it actually had, but I’m okay with putting it at 11.7 if it gets what it did have. Thats my whole point. It’s not as if it changes anything, it’ll face everything top tier regardless of 11.3 or 11.7. So make it worth the BR or BR increase.
The HSTVL is cancer
“Giving HSTVL a better round would make it go higher than the M1A2 in BR.”
Because alvis said so
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The only thing it allegedly is missing is its final round; that’s it.
Anything else it didn’t receive in this version and/or on top of being pointless for the BR it is.
The only way HSTVL is good with HE-VT is if its APFSDS is removed so its BR can lower.
Otherwise it’s an OTOMATIC where you don’t bring anti-air cause its BR is too high to do anti-air.
OTOMATIC BTW has the highest penning round of these tanks but is only 11.3 because of its massive size.
lets pretend the otomatic is good!
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It’s very adequate as an ambush tank, and that’s it.
It’s a trash SPAA cause it has an APFSDS round increasing its BR by at least 0.7, likely closer to 1.x.
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12 darts on a 76mm gun!
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Yeah, emphasis on “adequate”.
The rounds should be removed and it brought down to its SPAA BR. With a new SPAA taking its place that can actually do work.
The limitation won’t change until Gaijin separates ammo pools, and simulates dual-feed better.
So the best method is removal of the round.
12 darts means it isnt adequate at all.
I doubt 12 rounds would increase it’s Br by that much. It is also a 76mm gun, so the post pen wouldn’t be very good. Compared to the 2S38, the 2S38 is a better anti-tank platform.
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2S38 has a significantly lighter round, and post-pen is currently exclusively based on mass of the round.
OTOMATIC’s round also pens the most out of the vehicles mentioned.
The only thing that pens close to it is VCC-80/60 at 9.0.
Of course HSTVL is amazing.
But yeah, the APFSDS is ruining the OTOMATIC from being a decent anti-air.
Just as HSTVL would be an utterly garbage anti-air if it got anti-air rounds.
But yeah, 12 rounds is enough for 4 - 5 frags for me, 2 minimum for the average 2S38 player.
3 minimum for the average Begleit player.
But it’s such a trash playstyle cause it’s more passive and ambush than those vehicles.
Which is why I’ll never get the OTOMATIC and play it. Why would I when the anti-tank playstyle is utterly garbage and the anti-air capabilities are far below its BR?
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