So according to your post, 2S38 is incapable of killing anything at top tier cause it has worse pen than HSTVL, is larger, slower, and more of a walking ammo rack…
HSTVL has no issues playing as a light tank at its BR.
What? All the SPAA equal to 2S38 is 9.7 and below.
2S38 also isn’t a SPAA; though 2S38 fanboys would love it to be buffed by being classed as SPAA for lower spawn points.
lolwat? The ammo takes up the entire crew compartment. That’s not a buff.
2S38s are easier to frag today than at any previous point in War Thunder’s history.
They made it significantly harder to kill a hull down 2S38, because there is only one shell in the turret and it rarely ever detonates. Shooting the hull of a 2S38 is meaningless as that would kill it before, potentially. Although sometimes the autoloader just randomly eats the shell and all spalling. So your point is effectively moot.
Haha. Rolands. Funny joke. The Pantsir exists.
The initial standard Rolands are absolutely garbage since Gaijin’s mentally insane change to SACLOS SAM/ATGM maneuverability. You can dodge virtually any non-top tier SACLOS SAM with a mild roll.
I have never once witnessed a hull-down 2S38 partially cause such maps are rare to begin with.
The gun depression doesn’t allow hull-down on the rest of the maps.
Tunguskas and Rolands easily frag aircraft within 6km.
I’m sad to tell you this,but it’s expected by their literal doctrine.
USSR first and Russia then always put their emphasis on SPAA/SAM systems. The only thing left to do,for a game,is to artificially nerf russian vehicles or buff NATO vehicles without getting ahistorical.
Delta 6, basically a DU round capable of penning 400+ mm of RHA, it’s veeeery strong
Comparing guns with missiles is the best definition of you being dense in all honesty.
The closest things comparable to the 2S38 are the 40mm L/70 shredders (that literally outperforms the 2S38 but doesn’t have IRST and proper anti-tank capability) and the OTOMATIC (that deserves the spotlight instead of the HSTV-L). Missiles are other things that needs to be addressed separately
Then add a mechanic that enables two vehicle SPAA setups or adjust the BR of the inferior SPAA OR raise the Pantsir’s BR… lots of options, gaijin does none of them and just lets the pantshitter stay OP
Agree on both of them,they seriously need to add Radar stations/towed radars and Datalink so that many vehicles already presents can become more viable and you can also add other vehicles (looking at you,Patriot system)
At the same time, decompression on Ground is desperately needed,every nation is simply a cluster of confusion with certain tanks literally dominating downtiers
I was comparing missiles with missiles. STRELA vs Mistral. The Mistral is more than 5 times as expensive, with a 97% hit rate, compared to the Strela which is only $60,000 with a 50% confirmed hit rate. Yet in game the Mistral is borderline worthless, and the Strela some how never misses.
Also doctrine is irrelevant, you can say anything is your doctrine but that doesn’t mean it is achievable. Vietnam could come out tomorrow and say that their military doctrine is orbital bombardment from Imperial Star Destroyers and that isn’t worth a singular thought.
Russia is a failure of a military and has illustrated this at every minute level, the assumption that ANYTHING of theirs will work as intended is as laughable as it is ridiculous.
And yes, a good comparison for the 2S38 is the Otomatic, because the 2S38 is better than the Otomatic while also being far beneath it in BR. It’s also better than the 9040s by a wide margin.
Ladies and gentlemen,we have the military expert here on this very forum.
Let me tell US to stop funding USAF/USN programs and Russia to stop creating S-400s /s
Strawman
In all seriousness,i want a balanced game. And seeing how Russian tanks are bordeline bad compared to the Abrams or the Leos,i prefer them to have a strong point regarding SPAA. Just,not that big lmao.
If you’re so dense on the current state of the game,then don’t play it
Bad? they’re literally the same in weakspots, a shot to the side means a confirmed kill, also when it comes to speed and reverse and reload, all of that is realistic, also now the autoloader is a big buff to the Soviet/Russian mains that acts like a spall liner.