add F4 to the list
F-4s are fine unless they are F-4EJ Kai’s or F-4F ICEs, the F-4s don’t sacrifice any offensive payload to bomb bases.
the problem with the phantoms is the actual pure bombers ain’t got a chance
and thar Phantom can fight just as well as it can bomb
It’s a problem that’s more of a fact of life right now, there’s no way to stop phantom players from bombing (even I do it).
The thing is if say 2 bases are taken by phantoms then there’s still 2 left for bombers and strike aircraft. When you add MiG-21/23s bombing suddenly the bombers and strike aircraft have to wait 5 minutes for their turn.
the problem is that there are usually 4 bases taken by Phantoms
even if you ping them first
this leads to really toxic competition between team members
In this day and age pinging base means nothing.
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eh no, there’ll eventually be some Gentlemen that’ll respect your ping
especially at lower BRs and Non-RB gamemodes
Pinging bases makes no sense.
Just because you loaded in first and clicked on the map, doesn’t mean you should be privileged to something.
It does matter when everyone is figuring out where they should go.
Just going and ignoring everyone else is bad behaviour.
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Bomber is just pain usually
Although the F-111F is pretty speedy
Respecting the base ping is Warthunder etiquette 101.
Though, I sort of understand the free for all that happens at high tier, ever since the bot plague would just B-line to the nearest base. Seeds of distrust were sewn lol.
There’s only four bases you can bomb and you will often have more than four planes that are bombing. Also, I’m not spawning and going to the right side, literally in the middle of the enemy team with my slow ass bus of a plane that has barely any means to defend itself properly. I’m following the path of least resistance.
Things were much better when they didn’t take an eternity to respawn. Even if someone ‘stole’, you could easily just divert to a new one.
Now, it takes so long you’re probably going to get intercepted or the game outright end before you get a chance again. Really bad change.
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This is why I claim that “reserving” bases for yourself by pinging is a pretty ridiculous concept nowadays.
No, I won’t spend the whole game doing nothing and getting 0 RP while waiting for a base to respawn, just because some random dude that loaded 2 seconds before me pinged the map lol.
interesting bug
Idk I just like to do some roleplay bombing with my F-16s sometimes. F-16A Netz for example with four Python 3, six Mavs and twelve 500lb bombs
Every once in a while is fine but game after game after game hurts ones team and their general WT experience
I feel like you’re missing the actual problem here. The issue isnt bombing itself or even taking away A2A potential but having no A2A potential in the first place and refusing to effectively employ your weapons besides dumb bombing the bases.
I have no issues scoring 2-3 kills with only 4 Python 3 on my F-16A Netz while bombing in the same match and I’m not afraid to abandon my bombing mission if the situation requires. Does that really make me hurt my team?
Now take F-4S player for example that takes bombs alongside his 8 missiles. Guy bombs the base or keeps chasing for other bases or ground targets (because he didnt manage to drop before others) then either dies because he’s incapable of anything else or does nothing for the rest of the match.
As I said bombing itself isnt the problem. Its the mindset
Bombing is not the problem, it’s fighters bombing. F-111s and Tornados are fine to have on your team but MiG-23MLs carrying napalm and 2 R-24s are usually damn near useless.
If someone can’t fight they will bring bombs, if they can’t fight they can’t defend themselves while bombing they are useless to their team. Thats what I’m trying to get at. You’re not useless if you can generate kills, but if you have to resort to base bombing in a MiG-21 you would be useless anyways.
I mean yes jets such as mig23 or mig21 shouldn’t be bombing since they arent meant for multirole and taking 1-base loadout is equal to losing over half if not all missiles which are their main strength in air combat. F16, f15 or f4 dont loose much of their a2a potential while carrying bombs but the problem is mindset as I said before which you just cant overcome with missiles.
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