Israel is Israel. They’re so forgotten that there’s no reason to consider them the majority of the time. France has only joined them.
Italy and Japan at least have something. Why would anyone play France when you can play Japan for the Type 90s and 10s? Italy at least has a top tier line up that doesn’t consist of half baked MBTs. Sure they didn’t get their Centauro 2, but that would have only made them a healthy tree worth playing instead of just average.
Leclerc > Type 90, Type 10 is also overrated, it’s slow and even less survivable than the Leclerc. Also Mirage 2000/Tiger Block II+Spikes/ItO M are things to consider
bruh
yeah i think their worse then ours as i can’t remember the last time i died to Italy at top tier
Are you talking out of your ass because it sounds like you have no idea what your talking about.
The Type 10 has 0.9 HP/T less then the Leclerc S1. The Type 90 has 30 HP/T. All have nearly identical top speeds.
The Type 10 has better ammunition at 610mm of penetration while the Leclerc only has 575mm. All while the Type 10 and Type 90 both have a 4 second reload, the Leclerc has a 6 second reload.
Both have negligible armor. The Leclerc has better armor stats on paper but it still gets lol-pen’d just as much.
Their armor values as well should be around 700mm KE protection, the Type 10 should actually be slightly better as it’s made from more advanced materials to save weight.
Japan has the F-16AJ and now the F-15J. They’re no Mirage 2000-5F at CAS but they’re still good. The AH-64D is still competent, it has a large load of Hellfires. The Tigers was a worse platform until it got Spikes.
Otherwise I consider CAS as supplemental to ground. You can’t go to it and say “Look, the CAS line up is good so that means the ground line up itself is good.”
As for Italy…
They didn’t get the Centauro 2 this patch. Big deal. There’s still the Centauro 120, Ariete AMV, Freccia, and KF-41. The A-129D is only slightly worse then the Tiger Block 2. Otherwise they still have the Tornado and AV-8B+ which are all competent at CAS.
They have an actual variety and can bring out their CAS more often since they have competent light vehicles.
I think its safe to say the Gripen is the best jet in game
The UK at least gets their moment to shine that they’ve been asking for.
But that also means that Sweden will just be dominating the air as well as the ground this patch.
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PANTSIR GO BRRR
Russia will be able to deal with it as always
But a goo aircraft for UK is nice
Oh? Su 27s payload doesnt overpower it?
Well… it would if it could get the chance
As much as I adore the Gripen it may have been too early
Nah its just a f16 with lot more CM
Japan also has the Type 89 and Type 16.
France doesn’t have a light past 8.7 in the tech tree. The VBCI-2 is a premium at at 9.7, which is mid in the majority of situations it’s in.
The Type 10 is working with 8 Gears vs the Leclercs 10, it’s using longer gear ratios and the acceleration suffers as a result on top of having lower p/w. It’s probably slower than the Challenger 2E I just don’t have the latter spaded yet.
Acceleration is by far the more important metric at top tier, otherwise the T-72B3 would be “slow” at 60kp/h top speed when it reality the thing is a rocket (going forwards at least).
The penetration difference is negligible due to penetration thresholds at top tier, you’re aiming for the same spots. I don’t the the 4 sec reload is worth the sacrifice everywhere else vs the top MBTs. Biggest selling point over the Leclerc would be the Laser Warning Systems.
armour is bad on both, better numbers on the type 10 vs the top rounds but the coverage is awful, huge gaps around the turret ring and even the cheek composite can let through autocannon rounds.
I mean you say that and say the same for Italy anyway. As for the F-15J it doesn’t have anything other than dumb bombs and the F-16AJ not having a targeting pod puts it behind pretty much every other contempory. The AH-64DJP doesn’t even have a Laser Warning System or MAWS, how is that better than the Tiger? Good luck using those 16 Hellfires.
I can agree with that, but that’s just variety; France is better off as a whole.
Uhm no its not its WAY better
ill see when i get it
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Oh my God it still seems like you have no idea what you’re talking about…
The Leclerc doesn’t have LWS
The Type 10 has slightly worse gears but outside of the S1 the HP/T is slightly worse. So they balance out more then you’d expect, not everything is a sprint on a road. The Type 10 having slightly worse mobility is negligible.
Otherwise Japan still has a better variety for ground with the Type 89 and Type 16.
The AH-64D is by no means a perfect aircraft, but most of the time hill humping in between shots means as long as you don’t tunnel vision you have a helicopter that has a lot of endurance. Meanwhile the Tiger has half the load for a slightly more situationally flexible aircraft. The Spikes just made it actually worth using.
The F-16AJ is still competent as well without a targeting pod. The F-15J can still carpet bomb an entire grid zone with it’s dumb bombs and computer.
Which again, sure they aren’t the 2000-5F but they aren’t bad by any metric.
The Leclerc is still very much still a lol-pen for most things as the mantlet is massive and the fuel tank is an easy target.
The Freccia and Centauro 120 add more to Italy then you seem to expect. Sure the Ariete isn’t a perfect tank but it’s not exactly an unusable one. It’s got a good HP/T still and DM53 carry it through most engagements.
Plus since it actually has LWS the Ariete can actually avoid getting more more often then not.
Be quiet you garlic chomping clown you don’t even have Rank VII
Massive braincell loss
If it means anything I play on a friend’s account when I’m not grinding my own account. France is pretty much not worth grinding outside of top tier air.
I can research rank VII whenever I want but have no desire to since I know what it’s like.
Buying premium tanks =/= having top tier
So you don’t have an argument?
My guy coming up with entire essays in his head just to try and invalidate me at this point
That’s not what I said, I said it’s a positive of the Type 10 over the Leclerc.
It’s not “slightly” worse, it’s noticeably worse.
Everything not being a road sprint was something I already pointed out with acceleration being far more important.
Flavour sure, but they’re very bad options. Type 93 APFSDS is very long in tooth at this point and the Type 89s ATGMs are almost unusable in most War Thunder ranges due to them not launching as much as falling out of the launcher.
They’re much worse than the competition, that makes them bad.
The same is true for the Type 10, the entire floor is a fuel tank and you want more than 15 rounds of ammo that means hull stowage
Perfect? It’s not even good. The Arietes are closer to actively griefing your own team than perfect.
They don’t even have a top tier SPAA either
LWS is more useful for Helicopters more than anything else.
Implying you do.