Yea its not the first time he done this.
“i wasnt even whining about T-80.”
^ This is quite literally whining except worded to make it seem like you’re playing both sides.
I also took the liberty of looking at your stats directly - especially after you said “when i use my T-80’s”, and your T-80B K/D is 1.69. Your M1 Abrams K/D is 2, and your M1 Abrams KVT K/D is 2.13. All vehicles at the same BR. So I find it quite dubious that you act like this.
Yet you compeletly ignored my M1A2,SEP,SEPV2 and T80BVM records.
My BVM service record surprass all of my M1A2 series but somehow you ignored that fact cause you like to do cherrypicking.
Good hypocracy i must say, but try someone else’s door.
Also this has nothing to do with my statements, feel free to prove my points wrong, if you can of course.
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You now remember the LOSAT is 10.3.
cherry picking at its peak
Surprised?
İ was expecting kind of reacting from someone, best part is none of them tried to prove my points wrong but instead they went after my service record.
It quite literally does?
You’re talking about the T-80 eating shells and all that, especially in comparison to the Abrams - yet your K/D in the Abrams is better. As for top tier, your SEP K/D is 1.56 and your BVM K/D is 1.83.
Certainly quite the strong wording to use “surpass” for a discrepancy that’s lower than your T-80B and Abrams one.
You also sneakily forgot to mention the T-80UK, the 11.3 T-80 in which you have a 1.46 K/D.
We have another one here:
“cherry picking”. No? There’s only one 10.3 T-80. Compared to his Abrams stats in the two Abrams-es at the same BR, of which they are the only ones. It isn’t cherry picking. It’s LITERALLY the T-80 AND the Abrams at their matching BRs. What is wrong with you?
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that’s why you use service record instead of using the average per game and direct experience against this vehicles, since i could say the same for someone who just started the game. Using kd as a way of measuring isnt exactly a good measure, to be honest. That’s why i’d rather check on experience than use the more inaccurate K’D that could be taken out of 200 or 2000 battles, in which it may have disparities for X or X reason out of somebody’s control
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Like it or not my BVM record is better then M1A2 despite it lacks gun depression,mobility and firepower.
Sucks i guess? Try harder tho.
No one stated that discussion was about T80B but you because it suits your claim, as i Said before cherrypicking at its best.
T-80 is general name of that tank family, discussion can be about B model or U model or even BVM model, english is not my first language but even i can see the clear the difference.
Same goes Abrams as Well, its a general name for that family.
İf you have comprehending problems i suggest improve yourself and try not to be arrogant next time.
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M1 abrams against T80B its rather unfair in terms of consistant advantages, imma list the most used in battles
Spoiler
- T80B has a pretty good mobility of 25.58
- T80B has a really nice ammount of armor
- T80B has up to 3MB42
- T80B has only -5 degrees of depression
- T80B has horrible reverse speed but at least decent for russians
Abrams
- Pretty good mobility of 27.3 hp/t
- it has the worse armor among its 10.3 br bracket MBT’s
- M774 its pretty lacking specially in terms of spalling
- pretty good reload Aced
- has very good reverse speed
- pretty good reverse speed
this is all technical data, its going to be much easier to kill an abrams and for an abrams to kill you if you fight an abrams with a T80B wich its shell has much more spall penetration and even angle performance and the armor difference its so big an abrams can be pen’d by everything at its BR
Problem is no one stated that discussion was about T80B vs Abrams.
İf someone says T80 vs Abrams you can basically count every single model, funny thing is my claims also applies on every single model.
yeah and that’s the thing: comparing them just makes it more obvious that they are going more for technical data than realistic 1 to 1 comparison in a real battle and not in a simulated one, and the same goes for the object 292 they diminish it too much because they overlook stats over real experience
Exactly.
Obj292 is the best example in this case:
İt can basically lolpen 10.3 M1 Abrams while can tank M774 even from point blank with its hull and turret armor.
Only way to kill that tank is to catch it off guard or aim for its weakspots before he aims at your direction generally and shoot you.
Now dont get me wrong , i believe 10.3 M1 Abrams is superior to Obj292 in many way and its better tank overall but those facts cant be ignored.
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“Object 292 unbalanced” (10.0 BR vehicle)
“T-80”
“my T-80s” - of which you ONLY have good stats in the BVM. That is to say, your T-80B, T-80U, T-80UK stats are worse than your Abrams stats (Keep in mind that America gets ~5 top tier performing, almost identical Abrams-es, while Russia’s T-80s other than the BVM are explicitly worse).
The UM2 being the only outlier, but it’s a vehicle at an extremely advantageous (and lower) BR. Where you still did worse than in the 10.3 Abrams variants.
and that’s the issue the charges are up in the turret and at times the shell that goes for the lower hull plate will not create enough spalling to go for the ammo itself, avoiding ammo detonation and making the survivability of the object 292 much higher, aswell as the other issue of the object 292 ammo having more HP and even increasing its survivability
and again, going for stats as much as you like to cheese him on that, it has already been explained in this same thread that stats arent really reliable due to how every single thing in a match can really change, like the tank design, which does not go into the stat value itself. For example, in my comment before this one, i explained how the charges being up allow for better survivability, If you want to explain why the object 292 should stay at the br it is, I will be happy to hear a logical reason
‘‘Object292’’ ‘‘T80’’, does those two words sounds similiar to you? Cause surely it isnt.
İts a general name for T80 family, surprised?
And? You still didnt explained how is this revelant with my claims?
I assume you either have serious comprehension problems or you just like to ignore obvious point.
Either prove that my claims are untrue with your solid evidence or stop bragging same irrevelant thing into discussion buddy.
I’m not talking about the 292? The 292 obviously shouldn’t be 10.0 because it doesn’t die in one shot to the LFP because of the different shell arrangement. I would say it should swap places with the LOSAT at least.
As can be seen in this video I’ve recorded myself - where I shot the LFP and what would have been a kill-shot on a regular T-80 only killed the driver:
Yea but in return M1 Abrams has:
-Better Mobility
-Much better reload
-Much better forward and reverse speed
-Much better ammo protection
-Thermals
-Smoke Launchers
-Machineguns
I believe those facts makes M1 Abrams much better then Obj292 overall.
then that’s fine by me. I’ll let yall talk about the rest, since talking of something else here might lock the thread