So fair enough right?
The same as every tank in the game can experience it, the same as top tier tanks in a stock.
Of course, that’s why it should be higher not lower. Every tank has cons, T-90M is 11.7 yet still has -4 reverse, the same as T-64A.
But yet they are usable and are situational. As 292 should be
Exactly, that’s why it is the correct BR.
A powerful sniper that can kill anything in uptiers or downtiers, and can be killed by own tier but not much lower? That’s ideal for vehicle like this one. Not a BR where it kills everything in uptiers and downtiers, and only can be reliably killed in max uptiers, even with reload and slight mobility issues.
You just need to not be as oblivious as those top tiers you killed. Use your vehicle appropriately (not even well, just don’t try to flank in a Maus) and you will have no issue with the limited traverse rate. Again, 1st gen thermals are not a significant advantage whatsoever. Player skill is far more significant than such a tiny advantage, so use it.
Powerful sniper with poor reaction times and bad spotting abilities. Being at 11.0 will put it in a position of pure garbage, where anything lol pens it, while having better spotting capabilities and gun handling overall. 10.0 is fine. Maybe if it will show better - 10.3. But not higher.
Not really since it lacks at like half a dozen of other things. Being able to lolpen things at X BR doesn’t mean that vehicle should be at that BR lol.
That’s like you argue M-51 should be 7.3 (or even higher) since it’s HEAT round can lolpen things at that BR.
Other tanks at 11.0 have thermals that will nullify fog, and yet you’ll be stuck there without any vision aids.
Yet again, any tank shouldn’t be judged by it’s stock performance.
I think none of us can decide what vehicle deserve to be situational or not.
That thing has far more issues that aren’t reload and mobility.
We are discussing vehicle performance, not skill of players behind the screen operating it.
Lack of thermals and poor gun handling are obvious downsides and you need to be better than the person you’re going against to win.
Being better than the other guy doesn’t mean your tank is better or even the same lol.
But being better is a thing that doesnt come up with thermals nor better reload or anything. You can’t just give a noob Leopard 2A7V and take him to 5.7 because he dont know how to shoot. Its not how it works. Char 25T got his way up from 6.7 to 8.0 in a span of few years just because players are doing well in it when vehicle seems to not be that good. Be good in the game come with thing that you can even bring BT-5 to top tier and make a good use of it. So vehicle doesnt matter, skill matters. But with your logic Gaijin should place every vehicles that come with a cons that makes things balance, at exceptional low BRs just because some people with will be bad in it ? SEPv1 and SEPv2 are worse than 2a7v and 122B+ yet still has the same BR because it has gimmicks that make them worth for it like quick reload. Object 292 should be higher just becuase its firepower, the best firepower in the game yet still on a decently mobile platform and still with some armour to bounce. It cant just be 10.0 just because 10sec reload or poor gun handling. Come on bro. Dont be a fool. Now we will get 292 at 10.0 and then what ? Javelins at 9.0 ? All aspect missiles vs Mig-17 ? Event Armata with 152mm gun at 10.0 only because reload ?
It has the best round. Not firepower. Cause overall firepower is bad (Yes, gun handling, reload speed and etc are parts of vehicle firepower)
It handles the same as T-80B does, definitely not a 10.0 material
Being better than someone else shouldn’t impact vehicle’s BR, rather it’s stats should be used to determine BR.
It’s natural to have pros and cons if you’re at the right BR, but having a single pro and half a dozen of cons is an obvious sign you don’t belong there.
SEPv2 have better reload but also lack spall liners and is a bit on a fatter side, if you know what I mean.
Meanwhile M-51 is perfectly fine at 6.0 with a 8.0 rounds, obviously firepower isn’t everything.
At 11.0 that armor becomes cheese and will only bounce terribly placed shots, so it stops being an advantage.
I’m fine with it being at 10.3 but demanding it to go at 11.0 or something like that because “muh shell” is ludicrous.
I said it’ll have paper armor at 11.0, which is completely true.
At 10.0 it’s armor is a redeeming factor and should be accepted as a pro.
Ok. And? Yep, it has powerful APFSDS.
We went through the same thing with the new t90. everyone freaked out and made the issue bigger than what it was, and now no one complains about them on the forum. Its stripped of all ERA and an abrams can shoot twice before its loads its second round. you basically going to be able to pen almost anyplace on the tank. the front still may have some issues but its going to pop like a popper hitting center side. Lets wait until its in the game before we start freaking out over it.
You saw my screenshots or not ? You want to see M774 heat map ? and or want to see any heatmap from the 700mm shell. T-90M got balanced just by better vehicles like 2a7v and 122B/B+ and it doesnt mean T-90M is bad. T-80U is worse than any 11.7 yet still have to fight them, and i found it pretty fun to use.
Definetly yes. Had anyone even said, that 80B has okay gun handling?
No, it isnt. Tank blows up, when any shell hits its bustle
