It’s not my fault you feel insulted when someone’s stating facts. There’s nothing belittling in pointing out facts about someone that’s not being able to perform in a game, which indicates he doesn’t understand it properly.
I’m fine with discussing things when legit arguments are used, which can be seen in this very thread.
But when people run out of the good stuff and start using dumb crap like “this OP, vatniks just pretty bad” for arguments, there’s nothing else to do so looking at their godawful stats in those OP machines is the final nail in the coffin.
You know that actions speak louder than words ?
That’s like you drive two race cars from the same class on the track, get almost identical lap times but then proclaim one is much, much better than the other. Of course this empty talk will raise some eyebrows and I doubt anyone competent would take you seriously.
Afraid I’m not surprised you’re not educated on logical fallacies:
So by your own admission, you’re using the statistics of someone you consider a bad player to be the judge of the validity of their claims? Doesn’t sound very clever if you ask me. If Christian Horner says that the Red Bull this season is the best car on the grid, I wouldn’t expect you to look at his lap times in it and the ferrari as the comparison. Then again there is not much logic to most of your reasoning.
Ever heard the phrase a broken clock is right twice a day? If you can’t address my arguments without resorting to saying “you’re not very good at this game, what do you know,” then your logic is literally fallacious. You disprove nothing. I personally didn’t grind the 292, but I can see that it is over performing in capabilities compared to other 10.0 tanks that I have played. I’ve seen people racking up kills with it at 12.7.
Obviously the performance of those cars are affected by the drivers, just like tanks are in WT as well. Just look at poor Checo, I doubt he’d say his RB was brokenly OP last season after barely making it to 2nd place lol. That car definitely proved to be tricky when used by average drivers.
This is easily transferable to people like you that obviously struggle with most vehicles they touch. Calling a whole selection of vehicles to be brokenly OP, but then somehow failing to perform in any of those should be a red flag to take your opinions on that matter with a massive pinch of salt.
I don’t think it’s overperforming because of reasons I stated in the beginning of this thread. It has many flaws when compared to 80B which I think are more than enough to compensate for that better shell.
It mostly looks like a gimmick vehicle, not feeling at home when played in any playstyle, considering it’s lack of thermals paired with awful reload and bad gun depression isn’t that great for sniping, while it’s already mentioned reload, poor gun handling and bad reverse speed surely are far from ideal in CQC setting.
I’ve seen people racking up kills with other 10.0 vehicles at top tier, shall we move those up as well ?
200mm armor, 700mm penetration, 10 sec reload. Is it Russian? 10.0 (its weak if placed in high tier)
15mm armor, 500mm penetration, 7.5 sec reload. Is it USA? 10.0 too. (its too strong if place less)
Just if we want to look only some stats of some tanks…
And yes, I’ve seen people getting kills on those machines on 11.7 , should they be 10-10,7 or even 11br for that. Like some people have claimed , why 292 should be least 11, because it can kill top tier mbt’s.
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The fact that Perez, the second driver for RedBull, made it to second in the overall championship ahead of any other car/driver, is pretty indicative that the RB car war clearly the best… So you’ve actually just reinforced my point. Perhaps don’t use race car analogies if you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Yeah we’ve seen your reasons. Just like we’ve seen your reasons/excuses for why every single OP russian vehicle “isn’t actually OP”. Broken record mate.
Barely clinching 2nd place doesn’t look too hot for the car that’s supposedly brokenly OP.
I gave you a clear, simple example of two cars being driven by the same dude on the same track acquiring around the same lap times. This is far away from any F1 scenario and you somehow even mixed in team principal as well, like he has any relevance to the topic.
That being said, I highly doubt you have any idea what you’re talking about and are just looking for, honestly dumb, comparisons to save your ass.
I’ve tried to list fair share of both pros and cons of each vehicle I’m discussing and in case of 292 it definitely has more cons than pros when compared to 80B and other similar vehicles.
Pros and cons will only go so far, since no one knows how important each pro/con really is for vehicle’s performance, which is where stats come in play. Both of our stats and stats of like dozens of people hanging out in these threads show that those supposedly brokenly OP vehicles perform close to people’s account averages.
Seems like we have vehicles that have obvious pros/cons and people are also unable to have outstanding performances in said vehicles, but somehow you’ve come to the conclusion they are brokenly OP, all the while both paper and in-battle performances suggest otherwise.
Maybe you should try to not get affected by IRL biases, this is only a game after all.
More evidence you don’t know anything about racing or Formula 1. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
I mentioned the team principal because he is someone who clearly knows what he is talking about, but almost certainly wouldn’t be able to put together a single competitive lap in either F1 car. You’re using my individual stat card, someone who you say is a bad player, to judge whether vehicles are effective. Surely you should be looking at the collective statistics of good players who know what they are doing? The most simplistic things need explaining when it comes to you. It’s dumbfounding.
Why we talking about formula 1 in a debate about object 292 by the way the sprout M is way better for kills they gave it 3bm60 and better missiles is the most fun thing on top ter
i would say something is off with the armor. would have killed all other russian tanks at 10 - 10.3. done the same shots with Leopard2AV that has dm33 and that works. feels very undertiered if you ask me
Sorry buddy but if you can’t understand it after this long, I’m afraid any amount of simplifying it down won’t be enough.
It isn’t about if he’s able to perform competitive lap or not, it’s about his average lap time between cars.
As I said dozens of times now, something brokenly OP will drive itself, thus players will have better stats in it (be it K/D or lap time).
Again, it doesn’t matter if you’re a trash player or someone that’s really good. Something brokenly OP will make any type of player perform better.
You and other people as well that claim something is brokenly OP but fail to accomplish better results is quite an interesting feat.
I’ve yet to see someone perform massively above his average in those brokenly OP vehicles.
Vast majority of people complaining about bias have about the same stats in vehicles of any nation, but are still complaining about bias which is funny to see.
If someone was a bad player with like 0.6 K/D as his account average that’s somehow getting 2 K/D in his USSR vehicles, I would definitely understand his grievances.
But someone with 1 K/D account average doing the same in USSR vehicles but complains profusely about them, get out of here buddy, bias is clearly showing.
I saw someone has 0.x something in all 99% of his vehicles and only one of them has 1.1, and he has over 20000 matches and says the 292 is broken and needs to be raised to 10.7, I think I wouldn’t take this guy seriously bro, he also doesn’t play the said vehicle to prove that it is indeed OP as heck, how is someone like that qualify to judge the performance of the vehicle :S
I learned this shit from yall lol stat checking/shaming has been a thing around here and it’s fun to mess around to gain leverage in an argument, I mean it’s true what? someone who knows how to play vs someone who doesn’t or suck at it, who has more credibility bro?
