It does indeed have a gun and ammunition that is more uptier proof, I personally think it can’t be higher than TURMS when TURMS is better in so many ways and it’s 10.0
More than enough considering 10.0 and 10.3 are still viable there.
You also missed planes such as Su-22M3 and some MiGs
Just like now?
Uptiers are the problem, yes. But why 292 should be raised up and not overall br bracket decompressed?
How it is “more than enough”? It is literally less than dozen.
unlike now all tanks that you could meet? in a full uptier can and will lol pen your hull/turret with easy
uhm right now most tanks tanks it can meet in 10.0 have to aim for 3 weakspots lfp driver viewport and turret roof/breach even tho the latter is weird with up to 500mm armor
Also rn it could meet at max up tier (11.0)
Tkx (P) jm33
m1ip m900
m1a1 m829a1
merkava mk3b/3c m322
the chance to get uptier and play vs those 3 nations is rather rare i would say
meanwhile
you can lol pen all of them doesn’t matter if turret or not
And if they survive the First hit they have 10 sec reload if they can return fire
also i would say 10.3 is rather balanced except for “the special need nation”
i mean after all the obj trades reload for penetration and gets a lower br because
gajin says so
Checking the big 3 only 1 nation has a 10.7 tank and 10.7 spaa anyways
then we got china with 3 10.7 tanks
Italty with ONE 10.7 tank (kf41)
And thats it
Also 9.0 tanks would be safe and 9.3 as well
not like they could lol pen the obj anyways xD
Otherwise we could lower the Ariete (all of them) to 10.0 because they have 0 armor
And the best thing going for them is firepower (dm53)
Tkx have AL. “If they survive” it is not guaranteed that they will have their loader dead. And im not even counting classical Gaijob moments of non-pen/nodamage and etc.
And thermals, and commander override, and better gun handling. Not saying that Arietes are op (actually they arent worth being at their brs at all).
Just like at every soviet MBT?
Well, we used to have more in the form of the IPM1 and M1A1, but those two made a clownshow of the whole 10.7 bracket because they are MASSIVELY superior to something like a ZTZ or T-90A.
I’d say the Challenger 2 and Challenger 2 2F should drop to 11.0 and the Challenger 2 TES should drop to 10.7, the Ariete’s could also drop down by 0.3 BR I suppose even though that will never happen with the stats they’ve got.
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Depends if the buff the add on armour in the changes they plan to do
I find that people generally overrate armor.
The Challenger 2 is essentially a worse M1A1, the M1A1 has better firepower, mobility, survivability, gun handling and the difference in armor is hardly noticable.
There’s recently also been some documents concerning the SR(L) 4026 and they indicate the armor of the in-game Challenger 2 might be significantly overperforming, now regardless of what you or me think about this, Gaijin might chose to act on those new documents.
If that happens, and even with the promised rework, we’re looking at vehicles that are barely 10.7-worthy.
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I was talking about the add on armour packages which are definitely undperforming like the TES kit
SE(L) 4026 was only minimum requirements that could of changed so it doesn’t tell us
dude im tired of people sitting here trying to defend gaiin putting yet another soviet MBT at a lower tier than it should be, You literally have a tank thats nigh immune to 80% of the tanks at its BR, and able to lol pen everything in the game.
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from the person that has consistently over-rated mobility for the past 5+ years on nato tanks.
Not gonna read all that, but I got the general jist of it. Hope you feel better after venting, it seems you needed it.
No worries, that thing tend to happen when an individual runs out of arguments.
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Which 9.0 or 9.3 vehicles couldn’t be penned by 9.7 or 10.0 tanks? the MBT-70 and M60A3 couldn’t take a single hit from anything in that respective br even the 9.7 T-64BV can pen them anywhere with 3BM22 (don’t even need 3BM42), the German has an even worse armor at 9.3 except for the T-72M1, the 292 doesn’t really do any more damages than the T-72B or TURMS can do, those wonky ERAS on them will occasionally swallow shells the naked 292 couldn’t, it has that extra power that only useful when facing 11.0+, facing anything down there renders the extra punching power wasted.
damn this is purely arguing for the sake of arguing meanwhile my brain is going numb playing COD with tanks
can another game company just copy this one already to break the monopoly
You’re quite right, for a change. When all you have left is petty attempts to belittle and insult me, instead of the value of my arguments, then you clearly have nothing left. If you can’t dismiss someone’s argument without having to attack them, then it doesn’t matter whether it comes from someone with good or bad stats, that is textbook ad hominem. That’s latin by the way, in case it confuses your translator.
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SR(L) 4026 is a requirement of minimum performance a vehicle show have. it cant be used for numbers except a minimum.
if the challengers are well modeled the spall liner alone would improve survivability of the challengers well above the abrams series.
The problem with that is, in every case I can recall off the top of my head, the eventual production vehicle’s protection does not exceed it’s protection requirements by any notable degree.
I’m also curious what the current in-game protection is based off of.
humm?? can you point me to it?
- T-64’s design requirements were to resist 105mm KE @ 500m and 105 HEAT.
The T-64 met those criteria but did not substantially exceed them.
- The Leopard 2’s design requirements were to resist 105 KE (APFSDS IIRC) and MILAN.
The Leopard 2 met those criteria but did not substantially exceed them.
- M1 Abrams design requirements were to resist 115mm Soviet APFSDS with XM579E4 as a simulant as well as 127mm BRL HEAT with 636mm of penetration.
The M1 met those… you get the point.