No it’s not if you have literally everything else subpar.
As I said to you earlier, this also applies to M-51 considering it has 400mm HEAT at 6.0. By using your logic, that thing could easily be at, let’s say 7.7, since it can lolpen everything and also be lolpenned by everything at that BR.
Do you want M-51 at 7.7 ?
If it’s armor can be lolpenned by most things at it’s BR then yeah, it’s a glass cannon.
They do help, end of discussion about that.
T-90A has dreadful gun handling for it’s tier and will get handily beat in that department by most tanks. Thanks for clarification.
M1 has much better reload, amazing gun depression, thermals with top tier mobility and gun handling.
It beats 292 in like half a dozen of stats, so I see no reason why those couldn’t be at the same BR considering all the pros and cons.
This isn’t exactly correct. From the talk I’ve seen (by WT moderators), it depends on the present (short rod vs long rod). Diameter affects spall generation a bit, however it’s for the most part relative to armour performance (i.e how much pen stat is left over from the perforation process).
@FurinaBestArchon
What was the first Rheinmetall 130/140mm platform on? Leopard 2 through A3 or A4?
Cause Object 292 would be like a 140mm Leopard 2A with a 1200HP engine and no smoke grenades.
I played long before 120 was added and yes, my KTH back then was not happy to be pierced anywhere by Object 120. And it was so bad to play against it because no armour best armour( fuses on APHE was like 28mm and it didn’t do much then) and had HEAT-fs that could hull break(yes) and acted like HE for the most part. Still has some sort of PTSD from that experience
Any T-72 can’t, T-90M can’t and there are few NATO tanks that can’t reverse asap from troubles. You just play around it and don’t overpeek too much because of that
Are you played 105mm APFSDS Vs soviet tanks around 10.0 BR? O ve had, many times and many times their armour just ate my shell and I killed maybe only driver or gunner, took a shot then and died. 120mm is another story
You still have tanks, event in russian TT that are just worse in every aspect than this 292, yet still they would have same BR. If T-72B is bad, give it 3BM-60, because they can right? Would be great to have another tank such low with top tier shell?
Bad, situational, what ever, still have the same BR as new Object
No it’s not if you play it right, 3BM-60 and good thermal made a great sniper from this thing. Also play downtiered almost 90% of times
But have worse firepower, rounds, and had bigger weakspots.
You still have eyes
Any tank beside Ozelot and Asu-57 doesnt
Still faster than any T-64/T-72 tank from this BR bracket and has -11 reverse, definitely not the best but not the worst
Weakspots doesn’t matter, every tank has it. Sepv2 also has it, and has UFP from 10.3, still is 11.7. it’s ability to block bad places shot and gave a death blow in return. You doesn’t even care about aiming at weakspots when you have such gun
Every T tank doesn’t, yet they are usable and can kill enemies, wtf are those points?
I can give you my glasses
As a sniper it doesn’t matter, it’s not a casemate
Definitely, in the margin no tank in the game achieve such
As above, with such shell there are more ways to deal with armour than with 105mm f.e
Having 500ish protection on UFP and trolly turret. It’s not. Weakspots are vulnerable to even 30mm bushmaster but it applies to every tank in the game
“Abrams, Leopard all have turret neck issues that can be pierced by Tunguska frontally to get nuked and get killed. All this nonsense about their armour is meaningless. Turret roof are the same, can be nuked bu any HE shell, optics are weakspots on turrets. Abrams also has comically enlarged turret that is even easier to hit.” Don’t wanna even add something to this. XD
Neither… the NKPz-140 was a non-functional mockup based on the PT-19 turret from the Leopard 2AV. The first functional vehicle with a >120mm calibre cannon is the KF 51.
Then again, KF 51 is significantly superior to the 292, and basically everything we have at top tier currently, so next best vehicle is the Pz 87-140 (basically a Leopard 2A4 with RUAG’s 140mm cannon).
CATTB has 64 smoke grenades, more armor than M1A2 SEP, thermals, has superior gun handling to Object 292 BY FAR, and is faster than Object 292.
So no, it wouldn’t be over-BR’d, it’d be correctly 11.7+.
For USA to have an Object 292 equivalent it’d have to be a 140mm XM-1, unironically; only the gun changed.
@FurinaBestArchon
Dang, so it’ll be like CATTB where it’ll be likely above 2A7V.
Fair enough, thanks for the info.
I have no idea what to even say to you, you don’t seem to play the same game.
I’d love to play the War Thunder where flat pen means everything and nobody knows what weakspots are or how to use mobility or gun-handling. Sounds like a dream.
Indeed. Things don’t work like that anymore, nowadays 152mm apfsds disappears into KTH and does nothing.
That’s a huge advantage.
Yes and it is nothing compared to shells being eaten be Leo 1 front turret all day every day, or Panther side plates. No German bias at all, no.
Better to take away 3BM42 and put it to 9.7?
3BM60 isn’t even good anyway.
Proof of BR compression, nothing else.
Playing passive vehicles in an aggressive meta? So in other words a bad vehicle with serious weaknesses. This is like saying Spitfire Mk24 is fine at 7.0. Just dodge the AIM-9B from the (German, of course) Sea Hawk.
HSTV-L would like a word.
Yes… That’s why the pen doesn’t matter… Because the weakspots are where you need to shoot to kill enough crew…
This makes them bad…
TURMS has commanders thermals, that’s a good example.
3 degrees per second gun elevation and depression? Really? WW2 speed? Fine?
It doesn’t make the crew closer together does it.
Weird how Abrams turret neck is actually unlikely to give a oneshot and 30mm AP and APDS barely work against it. Meanwhile Soviet drivers hatch is practically a free kill, also Soviet fuel tanks filled with White Phospherous.
More stuff about how reload doesn’t matter, gun handling doesn’t matter, weakspots don’t matter, crew survivability doesn’t matter, optics don’t matter. Only flat pen matters and armour that fools will click on.
Good vehicles are actually bad, bad vehicles are actually good.
Doubt. Unlike CATTB, everything apart from the cannon was identical to the Leopard 2A4 we’ve already got at 10.3, unless Gaijin throws out the L-O calculator out of the window, and ends up giving the projectile its advertised >1000mm of flat penetration at 2km’s range (extremely unlikely), it would sit below the 2A7V due to all the disadvantages (armour, optics, reload etc). Compared to the CATTB, it’s actually significantly worse.
I was speaking on KF51 since you described the older ones as non-functional mock-ups.
& non-functional was removed as precedent when Coellian was removed.
Ah then yea, it would probably require its own BR range tbh assuming Gaijin doesn’t pull a 2A7V 2.0 and implements it in a significantly worse state than it should be in.
You can play around everything but that doesn’t mean something shouldn’t be stated as a con.
I have and they performed just fine against everything.
T-72B’s issues wouldn’t be solved with 3BM60, 3BM42 is more than enough for 10.0 to be able to pen things easily.
It would still have crappy mobility, gun handling, gun depression, meh reload and no thermals.
105mm vehicles aren’t bad, just play them right bruh.
Also, sniper + having -4 degrees of gun depression don’t go hand in hand buddy.
Reload speed is also a part of firepower.
Something that can shoot twice as fast as you is not to be taken lightly.
You do as well, thus aiming at large weakspots shouldn’t be an issue for you.
It’s not hard to be faster than tanks that have 8.0 mobility lol.
USSR vehicle eating a shot it shouldn’t be able to = proof of bias
Non-USSR vehicle eating a shot it shouldn’t be able to = heh, unlucky, volumetric moment, nothing to see here, move on people
You say you didn’t shoot T-90M and BVM side armour around carrousel with minimal effect? Proof of what? Of 80mm of armour eating 800mm rod with minimal damage? You can apply it to every tank in the game. I ve also bounced a lot of shots in vehicles I shouldn’t. I am done with arguing, we will see your opinion after people start getting it. Try to play other nations then across this BR
What’s funny is, that despite the 292 lolpenning the turret face of the M1, since the reload is 10 seconds, you can replace the gunner before it reloads, and you can reliably 1shot the soviets.
The CATTB (not the Thumper, they are different) has a much faster reload (8-12 rpm), much larger ready rack (22-32 rounds, with automatic ready rack replenisher), much, much better armor, thermals, gun depression, .50 cal (likely), a lot of smoke launchers (a wet dream of every germany main), had some kind of radar.
It is superior to anything we have in game.
The Leo with 140mm gun is likely also be similar, just not as advanced, but still much stronger than the 292.
Nono, it is clearly bias xd.
So then, the M19 SPAA bouncing a long 88 with it’s turret ring is proof os US bias?
I’ve had many examples of tanks not spalling, when they would. Also, there are many examples of just random bounces/nonpens.
And don’t even start with the ammo not exploding thing, because that can easily be demonstrated to happen consistantly on non soviet tanks too.
The only times my T-80BVM and T-90M side armour worked is when NATO mains used their aiming skills to specifically put their shells through 4 plates of ERA and into the thickest parts of the side armour.
When I drive the KVT, 5 shells disappear into my front hull with no possible explanation.
