Tbh Bkan is nice because you can take barrel then cupola. 3.2s reload goes hard.
I miss the old 2.5 second reload still. It’s highly arguably a better SPAA than the VEAK 40 now since the HE-VT got taken away from it (even though it existed in the time when it would have been fielded)
Exactly. Obj 120 is one of my mostly played vehicles. Its a vehicle which requires patience and not moving much since gun handling on the move is terrible. Its excellent as sniper though. If BR were decompressed 8.0 would be excellent spot. Right now 8.0 might seem too high but time will tell.
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Even if it got uptiered to 8.3-8.7 it would be fine because it can still easily Lolpen even 9.3-9.7 with relative impunity. Hell, I’ve even taken it into 10.0 before and had surprising success.
I was pleased when it went to 8.0 because it was deserving it. Some more decompression is definitely needed, but the 120 is plenty fine where it is.
Because before it faced lower BR enemies in an uptier and now it faces 9.0 that have APFSDS rounds, LR and in some cases even thermals. The problem is that the whole BR range hasn’t been moved higher not that the T-54 has all of it’s BR brothers moved up as well, so yeah they just need to decompress the whole BR range starting from 8.0 until 11.7 (at the moment) that’s the issue I was talking about and not how you understood it.
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i just decide to play my obj 120 today and that thing didnt deserve 8.0 at all while pzh2000 at 7.7 with laser rangefinder which obj doesnt have and 5 sec reload and 50cal MG , which obj doesnt have either. when u suggest devs pls suggest it to change its br to 7.3 or 7.0 please
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The thing is pretty easy to aim even without a rangefinder
They don’t care about lineups
1750m/s APFSDS. One of the fastest flying rounds in the game and you are complaining you don’t have a lrf.
Compare the OBJ 120 to the PTZ89 if you want a comparison. Effectively the same tank except the PTZ has a slightly better round and a stab… at 9.0.
OBJ 120 certainly does deserve its br. it was absurdly underteired at 7.3 with literally nothing at that BR having close to the same firepower.
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Slight correction, that round is noticeably better and it can be fired twice as fast.
at 9.0 its noticably worse. Nothing at 8.0 can stop 400 pen darts reliably. A few tanks at 9.0 can resist 440 pen and the increased in multiple internal compartments make the dart far less lethal.
Fire rate goes up for every nearly every vehicle 8.0->9.0. And i’d argue the OBJ`s round lethality vs its contemporaries offsets the fire rate difference. By 9.0 half your targets are go-karts with multiple internal bulkheads making 1-shots much more difficult.
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This simply isn’t the case.
Most 8.0s have 6.7s aced reload, same as most 9.0s. Some even receive a reload penalty, like in case of T-54 vs T-62M-1 or UK ones.
So that round is half as lethal in comparison ? Lol.
I’m sorry but no they aren’t.
Are you actually asking like you don’t know what the armored tanks are?
T62a and T72a both have large sections of the turret that will bounce. Chieftan mk10 turret will resist across most of the turret. OBJ 279 turret is ~430mm effective across almost the entire face so there are a lot of bounce areas next to very small weak points.
Do you even play 9.0? Both france and germany have the SKR with 4s reload. Both france and china have 4-missile atgm carriers. Meanwhile 8.0 still has the remnants of the 15+s reload heavy tanks. M103, Conq, Maus, IS4 ect.
9.0 has france, italy, japan with mostly fast vehicles. Brits, and germany having just as many fast go-karts as they do mbts. Only Russia,China (arguable), and US bringing mainly MBTs.
Are you saying fire rate determines lethality? Because thats what your comparison is. Both tanks need to be killing their target in 1 shot due to their lack of armor. But the OBJ can take a hit to the turret and lose some crew. The PTZ’s entire turret is an ammo rack.
I’m doing the comparison because its one of the only 1750m/s rounds in the game and the OBJ is in a far, far better position at 8.0 than the PTZ is at 9.0. There are a lot of other ‘sniper’ vehicles around 8.0 br range. Most ATGM carriers fall into that same bucket. But the OBJ is by far the best of them and arguing for a downteir is just delusional.
T-72A isn’t 9.0.
This looks like crazy amounts of protection.
You apparently don’t know what most means and you immediately resort to cherry picking to “save” your argument.
Fire rate determines their efficiency by a large amount. PTZ is easily killing targets in one shot and has far better chances of surviving against multiple targets due to really good reload.
Object stores ammo in the turret as well.
I’m not arguing anything, I was just pointing out that the stuff you said was factually wrong.
ah yes, ‘cherry picking’ what probably ends up being ~20% of the tanks you see at 8.0. I didn’t even mention atgm carriers and tanks like the M60A2, M551,AMX30 ACRA, and other 10+s reload vehicles. Nor all the other autoloaders like the KPZ/MBT-70, BDM-4, VCC, ect. There are tons of these vehicles, i didn’t think i needed to spell ALL of them out to make the point, but i guess i do.
T64A will be in nearly every single game you try to play at 9.0. No, its not at 9.0, but you are nearly NEVER playing 9.0 because nearly no nations have a good 8.0 list anymore. Much the same as no one is playing the chieftan mk10 without going to 9.3 for the boat load of other tanks considering its the only 9.0 for brits.
If you are engaging multiple targets with the PTZ, you probably aren’t coming out alive. They kill you easier than you klil them. The advantage of darts that the OBJ has at 8.0 is gone by 9.0. And please, go and look at the PTZ turret if you think the OBJ120 ammo stowage is anywhere near as bad.
Compression and Maps… prob is still the same…
Since they lack the gun depression, you often have access to their entire vehicle hitbox as most players are not going to stay in a position where they can’t even lower their barrel enough to shoot lol
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You also didn’t mention vehicles like PzH, Raketen, T54E1, DF105, Object 906, and so on that also have really great reloads and fire rate at ~8.0.
By jumping from 8.0 to 9.0 you definitely won’t see much of a change in terms of reload speeds, especially for commonly used vehicles like mediums/MBTs. 6.7s Aced for most mediums/lights from 8.0 to 9.7 is a thing.
8.0 is almost always uptiered to 8.7 or 9.0, while 9.3 is sucked into 10.3.
Much more likely than with Object, due to above average reload speed. You’re also killing everything easily with that round.
Object is paper thin and has two drums in the turret. I don’t think it’s ammo protection is something to write home about.
i agree that the 120 is at a too high br but 7.3 is to low 7.7 would be better. and i totally agree that the PzH is way stronger than the 120 but instead of changing the 120`s br it would be better to change the br of all the HE-slinger like the PzH or Vidar
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