It seems the SAMs shut off the radar, wich is strange, i usually wait for the 2s6 to fire at meand then launch 2 agm88c, nearly 90% success rate and when i do not hit is becouse i wass too low for the missle to work correctly.
This seems more a bug on the tracking radar of the 2s6 than on the agm88c wich worked flwlessly fir me.
Unironicalky here the mmwr should have helped, but the 2s6 shottung off the radar is a bug or some stramge situation were it did not recognize the missle as rhe primary threat.
Also IOG is nerfed in game for every single weapon.
It was literally shooting at me. Also, the AGM-88C has IOG so it should go off last known location which it clearly doesn’t and even the 3rd one zooms off into the distance then tries to blind lock something.
I’ve lost count on the number of times I get this from either low or high altitude. I don’t have it in MP4 format, but I’ve got a clip of it traveling 20km at a launch altitude of 7km. It then goes straight up, loops over and just keeps doing that back toward friendly lines and I’ve had that for multiple launch profiles.
EDIT: Actually, here’s a screenshot of the missiles coming back
We also saw that HARM sucks in ukraine and there is plenty of video of the Pantsir intercepting shit.
Either side in ukraine use complex tactics to go after SPAAs, and in game a single salvo of 8 gbu39 can take out 2 s6 and the Pantsir guarding depots, IRL you would need much more complex tactics to take out a single pantsir.
The tunguska was not using the tracking radar, it’s bug.
IOG is nerfed across the board, just like ARH seekers and multipath, it’s a balancing decision.
Also IOG is not magical, it can somewhat keep the missle flying but ir has no idea of where the target actually is, it just start a control state machine to predict were the missle was going.
Also i started saying that the agm88c could be bugged, even if mine wirked flawlessly all this time, but still comparing any agm88 bar the G to the kh31 is just dumb.
I mean, I’ve been seeing plenty of reports talking about the success of the AGM-88 in Ukraine since last year.
Also, that’s the point of IOG in ARH missiles. Turns out they didn’t hit anywhere near the target which wasn’t moving. I could see some error at range but literally it was sub 5km.
And again, so close and yet so far of the point I stated of Russia and China got tech that’s sub 15 years old while NATO got tech from 30+ years ago instead of the modern equipment that would be on par to them. Why do they get the KH-31PD from 2013 instead of the KH-31P from 1988?
Lmao were are the reports? Only thing there is about agm88c is ukranians and russians making fun of it and wrecks of the missle in fields.
The agm88c is not a bad missle , just very tailored to us doctrine, it doesn’t work well without the numbers and logistics of the USAF.
The drone campaign over crimea was effective and we saw actual consequences.
The use of agm88c was basically without a single repercussion on the battlefield.
Old SEAD and DEAD tactics are not that effectice, US is moving towards standoff glide munitions and ukraine and russia towards ad hoc net/startlink long range drones.
The only usable ARMs currently in the nuclear escalation mode are the kh31s. The rest get too slow too fast for them to be effective unless launched at SAM sites from a short distance which defeats the standoff capabilities of ARMs and the ability to fire from a “safe” distance. Adding AARGM-ER would only add kh31-isk capabilities to the “Blue” side but it would not address the original issue, which is ARMs only being effective if they’re so fast that one gets lucky to sneak past the AA defenses and hit the radar before being intercepted. This essentially means any other ARM that gets as slow as 300m/s when close to target is useless as they’re guaranteed to be intercepted, which is basically every single ARM ingame when fired at a range longer than 25km save for the Kh31.
We don’t need new missiles, we need the current ones to be more effective somehow.
“Year equivalent” of AGM-88C is already in game, Kh-31P. And this missile still blows HARM out of the water in terms of flight model while seeker is… amazing but for wrong reasons. Also based on brief googling it should have IOG it currently lacks?
Launch conditions are more than critical for missile range, in NT I had AGM-88C connect with EWR stations 110km away when given 12km alt and whatever speed I could muster from Superhorny.
Until you can prove 88G uses ramjet motor, adding few seconds of propellant burn solves exactly nothing to address AGM88-Kh31 gap.
HARM kills on Russian SPAA were being reported all the way back in January of 2025. Unless you’re talking about this photo, which was taken from the debris when it hit Russian positions.
Well, US air power historically would also use jammer pods and aircraft to facilitate getting warheads on foreheads, which is notably lacking in WT. Also, the US is moving toward glide munitions as we have TGPs that can see that far as well as other means to call in strikes (drones, live sat, etc). Does that negate how the AGM-88C underperforms in WT and Russia/China get weapons decades newer than literally every other nation?
The only report there is on agm88c is the wrecks on random fields in donbass, just like kh31s , ARM are not really that effective, strategists and officers had 40 years to counter them and the conceot of those missles barely changed.
Everyone that isn’t a third world nationu ses jammers massively, that’s one of the reason ARM are not as impactful as they previously were.
IDK if the agm88c is bugged, for me it worked fine even taking out BUK radars, and flies in line with what a pseudo aim7 should fly like.
If you have some sources on a better flight path do a bug report, whwn they are not based on allucinations and random indian sites they usually go trough.
Somewhat. The only real KH-31P is on the MiG 19s and then we get in game is the Chinese YJ-91 L111/L112/L113 (where you have to choose which band. So they way it worked is the target radar band was built into the seeker at manufacturing. That’s why the upgrade to the PD existed to cover all radar bands as well as increased the size to have more fuel and a better engine. China’s upgrade was called the YJ-91A). The issue right now is the KH-31PD existing where no other nation (other than China) has anything near the same capability. It says it has IOG but never acts like it does. Once it loses lock, it goes full stupid by either hitting far off target or just death looping vertically.
the Indian RUDRAM-1 on the su30mki so UK could get that if indian su30s come to the uk, russia china and india are primarily the only countries with mach 3+ ARMs in service
the german ARMIGER could be added to the game but its been passed to the devs already and thats really it, HSAD is a concept and made by the USN, stratus is still in early dev by MBDA for france, SiAW is still in dev and is very classified since its believed to be hyper-sonic its mainly russia and china that use mach 3+ ARMs
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I mean there’s literally videos of AGM-88s smoking Russian SPAA so idk :T Also, what do you think the AGM-88 does IRL? Open-source information includes lock on jam, LOAL (which is actually called PB/PE (pre-briefed or pre-emptive mode)), data link, INS/GPS, MMWAR and BDA cueing. That doesn’t include the extended range/battery upgrades and even more so in the G model.
I mean… if that’s the argument, where’s the data from that Gaijin pulled?
For the US, there was a few supersonic missiles but that’s what the AGM-88 replaced as it was the all-in-one platform. There was the British ALARM and that’s actually still used by the Saudi’s on their Tornado’s (the UK retired it in 2013) and was usable on the Jaguar and Typhoon. If you haven’t heard of that one, I’d recommend looking into it as it would use a parachute to loiter, which is wild. France made the Martel (which is in game as the AJ.37) but the UK could also use it as they did IRL.
As for the AGM-88C, the only data I could find, but sadly has no official sources as it is still classified data, is as follows:
10 inch diameter
13.7ft length
44 in wing span
800 lb launch weight
Rocket engine starts at 400 lb at launch and is 97 lb at burnout
In game, it looks like engine cutoff is some time before 8 seconds given the numbers off the weapons parameters page but really not sure. It appears to be lacking a sustaining burn as that should be out to the 10-15 second range. Also, if the chart is to be deemed accurate, it has a weird pop up after launch until you get 400 meters of altitude. That may be messing with it
there’s this but i cant find anything else abt a recent AGM-88(E) killing a russian AA system, i found a few articles from 2022 but they dont have videos only photos of the tail fin of the HARM
Could you provide some videos? I can’t find any unfortunately and I’m not on ukr or ru telegram. In my opinion if ARMs were really effective, we’ll see many footage of anti air installations(on both sides) being attacked by said missiles like how there’s footage of ATACMS and Iskander missiles taking down radar installations.
In my opinion for context of wt for both grb and NE, the speed of the missile is one of its most important attributes as that’s what would decrease the intercept window for those missiles. A increase to the thrust or an increase to the burn time of the agm88c or a change in its flight path to increase its speed will not allow the missile to reach parity with kh31 :((
