But not everyone on the “blue” side can use AARGM-ER, why is it that when it’s time to increase the effectiveness of "blue’ side, it’s only regarding the American’s and their export aircraft when there are many other tech trees on that side as well? Can you share more info for other planes and not just the US?
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All this gamemode has provided for me is just way more evidence that the UK tree has far to few FnF munitions that can be used at range.
For full clarity I don’t really use the F/A 18’s ( there American and I want to use UK Jets in the UK tree )
Most of our ordinance is Lazer guided or GNSS that still requires you to be rather close to do anything.
We have 8 SPICE which are IR glide bombs trying to hit targets and dodging load of SAM and other players spamming a load of ARH’s
Brimstones are just pointless slower Hellfires that you need to be way to close to even get hits on things with.
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Earth is flat confirmed here first on War Thunder
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I dropped half a Strike Eagle payload of them on one, 0 damage. Wild it takes that much then just to get a hit xD
What cracks me up is they give NATO the AGM-88C from 1993 whereas Russia gets the KH-31PD from 2012… like brother, why is Russia getting such modern equipment? I’m laughing at the fact Gaijin “suddenly realized” from the backlash of how poor the HARM performs in comparison that they are now adding the AGM-88E (which entered LRIP in 2012).
I have a strong suspicion either the AGM-88C FM is bugged or Gaijin didn’t model the dual thrust engine it gets IRL. Did the missile comparison at 50km engagement distance (starting speed was 350m/s, so just over Mach 1, at 5km of altitude). The KH-31PD hits 1100m/s at 8.6 seconds and maintains it throughout the entire flight till impact (apex altitude reached is 13,300 meters at 29,500 meters distance. Makes sense as it’s a RAMJET propulsion after the rocket boost start) whereas the AGM-88C maxes out at 893 m/s at 13.32 seconds (which it has only climbed to 6100 meters at a distance of 9700 meters) and in which, starts dropping speed to 464m/s at apex (apex altitude reached is 10,900 meters at 29,500 meters distance) and 313 m/s at impact (a whole whopping 108 seconds later).
Also, for a fun fact, the KH-31PD can literally hit targets 150km out if you’re flying Mach 1 at 1km of altitude. “balanced”
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Lock range is farther though so maybe it will actually fire rather than doing nothing. Then again, the Pantsir are intercepting BLUEFOR Ai missiles so who knows tbh.
Good find ive always known to not trust the statcards but seeing the AGM-88C say 150km i just assumed the effective range would be more like 120km But nah its not even half…
Probably is grounds for a bug report since the IRL one is stated to have a max of roughly 150km too but in game it gets nowhere close to that
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Yeah, it’s literally impossible for it to get there as the battery runs out. Idk what’s more annoying, AGM-88Cs doing death loops for no reason or the fact I’m max crew skill and watch jets phase into existence 3 km out when the fire a missile even though I’m staring RIGHT AT THEM. Literally was looking at my 4 o’clock b/c I got a radar pings from a J10. I see nothing. Suddenly, his dot phases into existence when he fires 4 km out.
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Your argument style is really disingenuous, as we all know this isn’t how gaijin balances the game.
Helicopters didn’t get MITL, DM53 didn’t get anti-ERA tip and tanks are stuck with ammo they never even used etc…
“Adding LOAL would add it to every other weapon wich uses it” just isn’t how any of this works.
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I mean you are comparing a missle with the form factor of a aim7 to litterally satan, with big ass boosters and ramjet engines.
What you have done is analogue to someone comparing a r-77 flight performance to a METEOR AAM.
IDK if agm88c is bugged or not, but comparing it to a kh31pd it’s completely useless, after such comparison i would doubt anything you say tbf.
The helicopters will get MITL the next update tho, it was just an emergency, drlay not a definitive decision to not add MIRL to helis.
DM53 does not use the discarding tip of the m829a3 but some fantomatic very pointy tip to not set off ERA. They are not the same.
What tank has ammo they never use? The 8.0-9.3 bracket has 1960s-1970s tanks using 1980s ammo because gaijin is foxated with giving apfsds to everyone.
All top-tier tanks have their right ammo, DM53 should be changed to DM63 at top tier germany, but in the game, it would have the same exact performance.
Can you help me with an example?
Okay, how about L27A1, which does have a discarding tip?
Challenger 2s which up until very recently had L23A1 they never used.
Challenger 1s which use an L23 shell that literally does not exist
Chieftain 10 and 900 which use an L23 shell that literally does not exist
M1A2s (inc. SEPs) which up until very recently had to use base M829
Challenger 3TD which uses DM53 despite completing trials with DM63 and the 3 being due for service entry with 73
T-84s which use BTA4 on the basis of sheer compatibility (with the gun, not the autoloader) and have never used it
Leopard 2A7V which have not fielded DM53 as it has been out of German service for a loooong time (should be DM53A1 or DM63)
Would you like me to continue or would you like to retract your point?
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You’re so close to understanding my point while being so far from it… instead of giving NATO modern anti-radiation missiles like they did for Russia, they gave us tech from the 70s/80s. So it’s literally impossible to match the ability of what China/Russia gets and they are able to strike the SPAA from their rear airport with no threat while AGM-88A/Cs are missing from 5 km. They also detonate early and do no damage.
It is quite funny we have ALARM/HARM (early-mid 90s) vs kh31pd (literally 2012)
AARGM was apparently too difficult…
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While I do agree that buk was actual cancer to fight against, buffing aster 30 to it’s level (if not more) would just mean that both sides are fighting turbo-cancer at all times instead of just one.
“My gameplay is miserable, so should be theirs” mentality isn’t gonna make the mode popular.
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I mean… not as if it would do anything really. What Gaijin really needs to do is model Ai SPAA blind zones as that would give NATO their technical advantage of long range glide munitions that are designed specifically to do that. Right now, it just ends up with Russia/China demolishing blueforce as their munitions travel faster so the Ai timer can’t intercept them in time as they come in at 1100m/s.
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Yeah, not sure why Gaijin gave Russia/China literal cruise missiles but NATO can’t get the AGM-158
The only one even remotely similar to kh31 is agm88g, the agm88e would be exactly the same as the agm88c, LOAL is a no no, and mmwr is still not in game.
So in gane RN every agm88 apart from the agm88g (wich is yet to enter service) would be the same.
Agm88e would be shot down exactly tha same as C, and will have exactly the same flight performance, maybe some software updated to make it slightly mire efficent, but still nowhere near comparable to kh31.
Agm88 do not miss, what are you on?
The kh31 range and speed is the difference, not guidance.
If you miss from 5km with the agm88 it’s because you launched it into the ground not because of the seeker.
Also mmwr has shit range IRL with most being confined inside the 2-6km range, so it will start working well inside rhe range the 2s6 will start using it’s radar, so the agm88c seeker in nuclear thunder will have the same exact performance as the agm88e.
Do you guys even play the game?
Or do you guys believe that the least effective range radar babd in existance (mmwr) has 50km range with a 10cm antenna?
Agm88C are the best US can get for NT until agm88g wich will be introduced next patch.
And that’s a fact.