Can’t really see how decompression could hurt stuff below it. They won’t be able to see old +1 BR vehicles anymore, thus their full uptiers will be objectively easier to deal with.
For most tanks above decompression line nothing would change as well, their relative position to other tanks they can see wouldn’t be changed.
I would say that adding three additional BR steps (13.0 max BR) should fix most compression issues we have at the moment.
Yes it only helps whatever br that decompression line is at, say they decompressed 9.3, now instead of 9.0 being the old hotspot for matchmaking now they are in 9.3 games every time and so on, it’s really just a trickle effect that does nothing
I agree with that sentiment but from what I can tell and what I see I don’t know if I’m not seeing something else that’s there 95% of the battles the m1 is now seeing is up tiers which again should be decompressed further but m833 wouldn’t bust balance because it would still be the worst performing shell at br
German main has been a thing well before US main.
Difference is that German mains are around 5.7-7.0 while the US mains are at top tier.
And the stereotype exists for a reason. We get threads of complaints whenever the US doesnt have the best everything at top tier.
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Would it be possible for someone to create a mission with the m1 having the m833?
Could run like 20-30 games on that mission and on different map’s/br’s to see how well it would do.
If it becomes op, then the m833 won’t come.
If it’s a moderate improvement, i don’t see why it shouldn’t be added then.
I mean, the M1 literally has the worst tier IV modification APFSDS at that BR and is outperformed even by tanks of lower BR. 20mm extra pen wouldn’t break it but at least make it more consistent. I’ve lost count on the number of times I’ve shot a T-series in the side just for it to be eaten by a track/road wheel at distance and then get one tapped through my thickest armor frontally.
Funny how you argue anecdotal evidence from multiple people saying it struggles and 20mm of extra pen would help doesn’t matter but when someone who performs heads above the rest from 12+ months ago says anecdotal evidence, it suddenly is valid? Make it make sense.
Again, you’re using BROAD data with no weight on what it was fighting to try to argue it and you yourself have never played it. I’ve seen FAR more players saying it needs a buff v not but again, ThAt’S aNeCdOtAl EvIdEnCe.
You’re literally proving my point by defending the stereotype.
Plus it doesn’t take that much digging to find people asking for the same sort of buffs for the other side of the Big 3.
Im mostly indifferent to the change. As long as everyone understands the risk of it going up in br, its fine. Not saying that it will or that i want it to.
It wont change how i play it but i hope it doesnt go up because i would rather not uptier my a10/a6e.
I never said that other mains dont complain. They all have their own areas and br ranges where they focus.
Funny how you argue anecdotal evidence from multiple people saying it struggles and 20mm of extra pen would help doesn’t matter but when someone who performs heads above the rest from 12+ months ago says anecdotal evidence, it suddenly is valid? Make it make sense.
You clearly missed the obvious point. The point is that if you’re trying to use your own anecdotal experience to say it’s “le bad” then the people who have played it and are significantly better than you likely because they have a much better grasp of the game than you are also applicable then. You trying to handwave everybody who is better than you by shifting goalposts around as you see fit just makes you look incredibly disingenuous (because you are). As motorola has pointed out nothing has really changed since he last played the M1. Necrons said he’d last played the M1 about a bit over a month ago. The simple fact is you don’t actually care when they played it (because nothing has changed in that time), you just care that they disagree with you and are better than you so will throw any flimsy excuse at them to try to handwave them.
If you insist your anecdotal experience counts, then so do theirs. Their anecdotes also align with the evidence we have unlike yours.
Again, you’re using BROAD data with no weight on what it was fighting to try to argue it and you yourself have never played it.
Well we do know what the 10.7 tanks are fighting. Unless you’re about to start making spurious claims again about how allegedly M1 always gets uptiered but every other 10.7 doesn’t and even then it’s only the M1 and not the KVT, which gets more downtiers even though you have zero evidence for that claim you were making and logically it is nonsense.
Also once again me having played it or not is irrelevant as the arguments that have been put forth do not rely on me having played it or not. I do wonder though what your goalposts will shift to when I do start playing it since I’m only 200k RP away and my opinion likely will not change given I know the style in which it plays and highly value vehicles that play like it.
I’m sure you’ll manage to mental gymnastics your way into some new excuse though, I look forward to it. Probably just say it doesn’t count because it’s anecdotal whilst continuing to believe that your anecdotes count though, as you’ve done with everyone in this thread who has played it and disagrees with you.
I’ve seen FAR more players saying it needs a buff v not but again, ThAt’S aNeCdOtAl EvIdEnCe.
Yes this is anecdotal evidence. I’ve also seen more people saying we need larger maps than smaller maps yet when it comes to people giving feedback on it, more people prefer smaller maps. You’re part of the vocal minority, people who have a problem with something are more likely to go on a forum and complain about it compared to people who are happy with how something is.
Even IF there were many people asking for a buff, if the vehicle does not require it. IT WILL NOT RECEIVE IT. The fact that the data we have available shows it performing the best of the main three nations MBTs, means it is very unlikely to receive any changes. The fact that gaijin is not changing it in BR or giving it M833 when they have EXPLICITLY stated in closed bug reports that available shells are a tool of balance and will only be added if the developers see a need to based on their internal statistics outright tells you that statistically it is fine how it is, where it is.
So in short, continue coping. I’ll check in your copium supply in a few months or so.
Decompression should happen from the ground up, almost like a wave lol.
Like I said, Gaijin’s decompression efforts are working, but they should do it faster so all tiers get decompressed in a much shorter time period.
And where’s the problem in that ? Isn’t a US vehicle allowed to be the worst at anything ?
Tracks will eat much more potent rounds than M774 or M833, it’s not a round problem.
i agree
i think decompressing one BR bracket every so often is a a Band-Aid fix
even with m833 this would still be the case
Decompression will fix things at the BR it’s aimed at. It can introduce some problems higher up in some cases but this is only felt because they take their sweet time between decompressions.
Which isn’t a reason to add M833.
Shall we buff all vehicles slightly ?
just pointing out that a US vehicle being allowed to be the worst at something is fine but adding m833 would also still be the worst pen at br
Again, why does M1 need M833 ? Your reason can’t be: “because it’s the worst at BR”.
Let’s slightly buff [insert metric here] of vehicle X that has the worst [same metric] at it’s BR.
This would apply to most vehicles in the game and would create havoc.
no we have been over why i believe m833 should be given to the Abrams and we agreed to disagree just pointing out it would still be the worst at something even with the appropriate historical round for m1
We gain absolutely nothing from you pointing that out.
M1 is fine where it is and shouldn’t receive any buffs for the time being.
I’m gonna ask you the same question as I did to some other poster.
Did M1 fire M774 ? Yes or no ?
If yes, then M1 is completely historical in that regard and that “argument” shouldn’t be used anymore.
The m1 did fire m774 but it’s the other round that is the issue m774 already replaced the stock apfsds shell on the Abrams by the time the abrams was out and m833 should be the second apfsds shell for m1
And saying we gain nothing from pointing out m833 would still be outperformed by other contemporaries is false because you stated that US vehicles are allowed to be the worst at something which is true but it wouldn’t change with m833 meaning that you saying a US vehicle is allowed to be the worst at something actually adds nothing because that’s not what is up for discussion and it also wouldn’t change if m833 was added to m1