I mean, would help if it would fight tanks that actually existed when it did, not tanks introduced 5 to 10 years after it was retired. But what would you say for decompression when we JUST had that occur? Not to mention there’s no tanks to add to fill the 10.7 bracket unless you want tanks drug up in BR.
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He said over a year ago (so who knows what that means in an actual time scale). Had to go back because it was buried like 3/4ths of the way down to someone else (yet won’t just say it to my reponse).
And yeah, he did FAR better than what the statistic for the vehicle is (71% WR, 3.55KD), and, due to how long it’s been since he played it, we can’t see what his average game was (up-tier, down-tier, own-tier). These stats matter since I know for a fact I got up-tiered a large majority of my games and the M1 does effectively become a flank only vehicle and that’s IF the map permits it. I’m still waiting on a valid argument on why it shouldn’t get the M833 when every other nation outperforms it in every value on the Data Project Website minus the 10.3-11.7 Russian premium spam.
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These stats matter since I know for a fact I got up-tiered a large majority of my games
Anecdotal experience and no evidence for it.
I’m still waiting on a valid argument on why it shouldn’t get the M833 when every other nation outperforms it in every value on the Data Project Website minus the 10.3-11.7 Russian premium spam.
No they don’t, this is once again you failing to read a spreadsheet. The KVT outperforms the majority of other 10.7 MBTs currently and the M1 is only slightly behind it due to presumably stock grind. Even then the TT M1 still outperforms the premium german 2A4 and TT 2A4. You attempting to handwave all the soviet vehicles at 10.7 performing worse again is also incredibly funny since you still have zero credible evidence why we should all just ignore their performance whilst also claiming they are so much better.
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I already said it did.
I doubt anything has changed that’d impact M774 performance.
If he can aim at your turret cheek, you can aim at his driver’s port or LFP. Both of you have to aim, but you have better gun handling and gun depression so you should be faster to place the gun on target and fire.
It was a mixed bag. I was dragged up frequently by AIM/2PL/UK spammers.
Again, vehicles aren’t balanced with their date of introduction in mind, rather by their performance.
That decompression was aimed at lower BRs, especially 9.0 and 9.3.
If you want to decompress area around 10.7, everything above that BR should be moved up by a notch with a max BR of 12.3. With this happening, you wouldn’t be able to see current 11.7 premiums anymore because they’d be at 12.0.
Ahhh my tank sucks in full uptiers.
This is a common complaint caused by BR compression and you should literally go in another thread talking about BR compression.
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Well, his anecdotal experience doesn’t matter then because of how dated it is and it’s got no evidence of his gameplay :T Congrats, now if you’re using just the War Thunder stats website as evidence, it’s in the bottom third of MBTs at and around its Battle Rating. So what’s your argument based upon on how M883 would break it?
Brother, I run 10.3-10.7 Russia and they are BUSTED. I’m sorry the stats are bad because we have sub level 20s buying premiums and one life and leaving. Genuinely, have you even looked at the team when you play that Battle Rating? I already pulled up every stat of every player that Dinfire’s match that he had posted and literally only like 4 of them had an actual lineup and wasn’t a one tank and out player.
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Notice how you missed the 2KM out part… Unless you’re playing against absolute bot of a player, they aren’t going to show their LFP and god speed on hitting the thinnest sliver of a drivers port before they nail you in any spot on your front…
I mean it’s already fighting tanks that are in the tech tree that are 0.3 above it (because there’s a very small amount of 10.7 tanks) and holding 3BM60 and the M1 has to somehow slide a round into the turret ring while the T-series is a point and click…
It’s relevant to the tank because it’s the ONLY 10.7 tank in the US tech tree… so you’re either going to have to run it with tanks below it (which have FAR superior movement or ammunition) or drag it up with the US 11.0+ lineup.
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Congrats, now if you’re using just the War Thunder stats website as evidence
True it is the best source of tangible evidence we have, the only better source being gaijins own statistics they do not disclose.
it’s in the bottom third of MBTs at and around its Battle Rating.
No it isn’t. Intentionally lying when I’ve already posted the charts for all to see just makes you look like you’re taking huge doses of copium (because you are). Unless you’re once again pretending that the KVT is different vehicle from the M1 despite being an identical copy and paste just without stock grind. In which case this is just pure copium (even then the TT M1 is higher than the TT & prem 2A4 and T-80B).
Brother, I run 10.3-10.7 Russia and they are BUSTED.
In your opinion. Better players than you say otherwise.
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looks at the M1 v the other tanks Do tell, by value, how is it NOT bottom third (and not saying the KVT) because, again, it doesn’t show what the line up nor the battles it goes into. If the KVT manages to get downtiered more often than the TT M1, then it’s gonna do better
The KVT is identical to the M1 as much as you really wish to believe that it isn’t because it hurts your narrative when you try to mental gymnastics your way out of it being the same vehicle. The only difference being the TT version requires a stock grind. Even then the tech tree version performs better than the T-80B and premium / TT 2A4.
If the KVT manages to get downtiered more often than the TT M1, then it’s gonna do better
This is the part where you show me some evidence for this absolute conjecture that even logically does not make any sense. The vehicles are identical and at the same BR within the same nation so unless you have some evidence to substantiate your attempt to claim that the premium M1 gets more downtiers then this claim is worthless.
Using the same baseless conjecture I could say that the T-80B and 2A4 have lower performance despite being in full downtiers for the majority of matches whilst the M1 performs better whilst being in uptiers the majority of the matches.
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I mean I perform FAR above the stats for the Russian tanks and even drag them up to 11.7. Can’t really say the M1 is competitive even at its own BR unless you are really good with the tank but your counterargument is going to be “well that’s anecdotal” while ignoring that the source you use doesn’t show what the normal match consists of, nor do you have experience in it yourself. You still haven’t given a solid reason why the M1 shouldn’t get M833 outside “Well my Russian tanks would suffer based off very broad data that doesn’t show BR weight.”
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I mean I perform FAR above the stats for the Russian tanks and even drag them up to 11.7.
Sure you do. More unsubstantiated claims and irrelevant regardless given better players than you say the M1 is superior to the T-80B which is the same BR.
Can’t really say the M1 is competitive even at its own BR unless you are really good with the tank but your counterargument is going to be “well that’s anecdotal”
It is not competitive according to you in your subjective opinion which is not validated by any tangible evidence we have given that is performing fine within the data we have available, is evidently performing fine within the data gaijin have available and we have multiple high skill players saying so too.
You still haven’t given a solid reason why the M1 shouldn’t get M833 outside “Well my Russian tanks would suffer based off very broad data that doesn’t show BR weight.”
I have and so have others, you just never listen. I’m tired of you at this point and it is clear that you have zero interest in debating in good faith given your continued handwaving and mental gymnastics, especially surrounding the statistics in which you come out with unfounded nonsense such as claiming the KVT doesn’t count as an M1, despite being an M1 copy and paste, how russian tank performance doesn’t count because it came to you in a dream that it is known that they allegedly are just all bad, how you do nothing but hyperfixate on win rate despite the many factors independent of the vehicles which influence win rate. Also how this topic has already been addressed from multiple rejected bug reports and reasoning given which you then just go “yeah I don’t agree with that”.
The simple facts of the matter are that the M1 will remain where it is now, as it is now, until the statistics for the M1 show that it requires new shells or being moved in BR regardless of how much this angers you with your biased position. So I leave you with this for your future desperation.
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You don’t really need your team to perform much better than your average in something that’s busted. This makes me believe tanks in question aren’t that busted to begin with.
Gaijin said they will only add it for “balance” reasons, what they fail to realize is that this tank is in 11.3+ EVERY BATTLE. They pick and choose the definition of balance as they desire. Nothing about this game ( especially top tier) is balanced.
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Ask Gaijin to decompress 10.7 then.
Asking Gaijin to buff a single 10.7 vehicle because “uptiers” isn’t the right approach.
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They need to change the matchmaking spread to +- .5. Decompression does nothing but help where the decompression line starts and hurts anything below and above that line.
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what you suggest is also BR decompression and what it could/should have be.
what Gaijin does isn’t actual BR decompression. They just move problem elsewhere.
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Since this is apparently a zero-sum game, if the Abrams get anything given to them, what changes can be made to USSR or Germany or whatever that would be a fair trade? (challenger 2 mantlet fix pretty please). Personally im quite comfortable with my USSR tanks but if anyone knows any outstanding issues, im genuinely curious to know.
Unless this is all just about hating the US, which seems very popular.
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Been that way for actual years now.
There’s a reason accusing someone of “maining USA” is an insult now but “maining” any other nation is a point of pride for people.
People just like having a big dumb punching bag nation to farm.
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That’s all it boils down to, frankly. Lot of folks like the USA being a gimped tech tree so they can farm people playing it, so they’ll do all they can to advocate against anything that makes the USA not suck as a tech tree.
It’s just their personal grudges manifesting in the game.
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No
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