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I’m trying my best to be respectful here but Dinfire seems incessant on doing nothing but throw out insults every post in an attempt to derail this thread from meaningful conversation.
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Have you thought that maybe, JUST maybe, you should go play the M1 before trying to say how it is? It’s impressive how hard you’re pushing for it not to get a SLIGHTLY better round with 0 battles in it. Again, the Russian’s have a complete premium line-up at that BR. Why would you not expect them to do worse and funny how they get way better fight after that BR
There have been multiple people in this thread that have much better stats than you, dinfire or others who have expressed their desire for the M1 to stay as it is because it is already well performing. The data is does not depend on me playing the vehicle either, as you can see from the latest date there are over 5,000 games in the M1.
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How is it an insult to point out that you have never used it so you don’t know how gameplay currently is with it? Genuine question Casino. I countered your statistics with the fact that yes, the Russians are gonna be worse when every one and their brother with little/no gameplay experience buy their way there v players who HAVE to run the tank.
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Because he leans on the few players who use the M1A1 and IPM1 who anecdotally do better. Of course we don’t know if they’re spawn camping, sniping, or anything else about their gameplay, but that’s enough “evidence” for him to insult everyone else that we don’t fall in line with “his examples”.
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How is it an insult to point out that you have never used it so you don’t know how gameplay currently is with it?
How are the constant insults and off-topic remarks he has been making constantly for the last 20 or so posts and beyond insults? Well because they are. Nothing to do with the “you haven’t played it” thing because I’ve not based any of my arguments off of me having played the vehicle. It is also apparently doesn’t matter since dinfire has dismissed and rejected anyone who has played the vehicle and disagrees with him anyway.
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You have started those insults with those individuals. Cry me a river. Remember, liar?
Can we get back on subject and have a decorum. I’m on board that the 774 has always provided a bit of a skill test with the ability to hit small spots far away. The concern i have is how mobile the M1 is and if it can then shoot anywhere and pen it would be the MBT 70 introduction over again.
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You mean like you lean on people who anecdotally do worse. Good thing we have access to a larger sample size through the war thunder data project.
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Please quote the post number where in this thread I asked you to cry me a river.
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OK, now that I will absolutely entertain with you.
Here’s my counter.
The MBT70 was introduced how many years ago?
How long did this last?
Consider instead that the M1’s “skill test” has been going on for 4 years and that the entirety of top tier has shown that its penultimate descendants are a strugglebus.
Out of every tank, its mobility matches the Leopard 2, which does better in win rates and k/d consistently, because of its armament.
The 105 is only on the M1 and it has remained with a round that is buffed out of its specs to compensate, rather than simply add M833.
That is not a post number.
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You’re also not taking statistics and properly reading them outside to say "See, US is SLIGHTLY better than USSR at that BR*. Saying what lineup it is in completely discounts when people have it when running a 11.3/11.7 lineup and not using it. And excluding the Russians, literally EVERY other nation outperforms the M1 in win/rate at the BR it would go up against and only gets worse as the US goes up in BR.
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As I iterated to him in the past, one death leavers. But you know, intellectual honesty isn’t his forte.
You’re also not taking statistics and properly reading them outside to say "See, US is SLIGHTLY better than USSR at that BR*.
But I am. Gaijin balance vehicles based on their individual performance and adjust them upwards or downwards as such or give them buffs and maintain their BR.
Saying what lineup it is in completely discounts when people have it when running a 11.3/11.7 lineup and not using it.
This is an unsubstantiated claim and you have no tangible evidence for it. Please provide it.
And excluding the Russians, literally EVERY other nation outperforms the M1 in win/rate at the BR it would go up against and only gets worse as the US goes up in BR.
Not according to the data we have available. Also win rate is still only a single statistic and gaijin does not balance purely based off win rate. The data we have available also shows frags per battle and frags per death average.
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And this is why I don’t listen to him anymore. He has no experience with the vehicle, thus he relies on the company to tell him what to think.
And this is why I don’t listen to him anymore. He has no experience with the vehicle, thus he relies on the company to tell him what to think.
As opposed to yourself who has no interest in what the data we have available indicates, have no interest in what anyone who disagrees or opposes you who has played the vehicle has to say or anyone who opposes you in general. You also believe gaijin simply hates the US and believe the way in which they balance vehicles is asinine.
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Of the two of us, who has actually played the tech trees and premiums in question?
Me. You don’t count.
Never said that, I believe you do, though, because of the way you behave towards anyone who asks for reasonable corrections to the M1 and its ilk.
Of the two of us, who has actually played the tech trees and premiums in question?
Me. You don’t count.
That’s good for you that you believe your anecdotal experience is worth more than thousands of other players within the data sets available to us and the people who have the vehicle and are often better than you who have opposed your opinions in this thread.
Never said that, I believe you do, though, because of the way you behave towards anyone who asks for reasonable corrections to the M1 and its ilk.
Oh, so you don’t believe that gaijin is discriminating against US players? Then why did you say this?
Gaijin doesn’t have reason to act because they are fine with US players suffering in top tier. They’ve repeatedly revealed that when challenged. We’re on month 11 now of the turret ring being acknowledged after 4 years of asking why we were dying to SPAA and light tank autocannons through the turret ring.
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Except win rate is based upon an individual’s lineup AND the team, not an individual tank, nor is it placing a weight on up/down tier. Speaking from the countless up-tiers I get v my own tier/down tier, I can tell you the M1 is a fancy cannon fodder for the enemy. At least the 120S can hold its own, which I typically do better in (huh, imagine that. ~sarcastically~ Could never guess as to why as I look at a decent gun and ammo with a slightly longer reload). Again, you’re taking statistics and not reading them through. Why do you think we’re pulling exact data for the vehicle using the in-game stats and capability v a chart with no breakdown and isn’t the one Gaijin uses.
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I don’t see why you are dieharding on win rate when I have already said that gaijin do not balance based upon winrate alone. I already pointed out that other metrics which they take into account are within that spreadsheet too.
Why do you think we’re pulling exact data for the vehicle using the in-game stats and capability v a chart with no breakdown and isn’t the one Gaijin uses.
You’re right, gaijin have all the statistics instead of just the portion we have available. And you know what? The M1 hasn’t been moved for a significant period of time or changed despite being a highly played vehicle, which indicates that as far as gaijin is concerned it is performing adequately at its current BR.
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