This, the guy literally cant fathom that anything other than shell pen matters it just seems like an incredibly common thing with US mains
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Nothing changes between custom and live matches asides from hidden modifiers like shell shatter
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M60 120S has better firepower than a Strv 122B PLSS, clearly the Strv 122’s are underperforming and need major firepower buffs /s
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Would absolutely love to, but considering the amount of insults sent in my direction, I’ll just go ahead and close out with thank you for trying, Test et al.
As I stated elsewhere, this isn’t what I brought up. The sum of its parts are not in the same league as its contemporaries. Is the M833 too good of a round for 10.7? Yes or no?
It’s not just about the round so sooner you realize this, the better.
Is the M1 with M833 too good for 10.7 ? Yes.
Let’s compare the pen of M1 with other 10.7s:
T-72M2: 509
Bhisma: 457
T-80B: 457
Leopard 2A4: 410
Strv 121: 410
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M1: 372. Proposal: 395.
And somehow M1 getting 395mm, which would STILL be lower than any other 10.7’s and even many 9.7 and 9.3s… is an issue?
It’s not like they are asking for M900. They are asking for M833. This is a more than reasonable request.
Sure, mobility- Leopard 2A4, Strv 121 and T-80B have similar mobility, while having better firepower that would still be better even if M1 got M833. Sure, M1 has faster reload, but many of these have better armor. It’s simply asymmetrical pros and cons.
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Why are you using flat pen
Does the T-72 have flat armour?
Does the M1 have flat armour?
Does the chally have flat armour?
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There’s quite literally a thread of these same people whining for M900 they quite literally wont be satisfied with M833
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I don’t think it should get 900 but I can only speak for me
I challenged you on what criminal record I have in a PM. You never responded.
Now you lie and say I have asked for M900?
I’ll tolerate alot, but blatant slander is where I draw the line.
Perhaps others have requested the M900 on the M1, but it wasn’t me. And I will thank you to bear that in mind from hereon out. If you can’t, you can be put in the ignore list.
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Why are you bringing up off topic stuff
This is a thread about the M833 you should stay on topic
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I’m addressing an off topic poster who blatantly lied and stated I have asked for M900 on the M1. Return to topic.
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Why are you still posting off topic
Also less penetration across the board at angled surfaces than the rest.
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The abrams has various advantages over all of these vehicles
leo2a4/strv121
M1 has a faster reload, more armour as was proven earlier through testing and better better mobility
T-72/90/80
M1 has a far better reload, far better mobility, far better gun handling, far better gun depression, better survivability
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We’re talking about 23 mm difference in flat pen that would not push the m1 into the realm of absurdity
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Because, as far as I’m aware, composite armor effectiveness values and calculations work on a flat pen basis as a whole and not based on the outer casing plate’s angle.
Besides; when it comes to long rods, flat and angled is usually just directly proportional.
See, let’s do the same as I did, but 60º instead of flat;
T-72M2: 294
Bhisma: 264
T-80B: 264
Leopard 2A4: 237
Strv 121: 237
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M1: 215. Proposal: 228
So, as you can see, point stands whether you use flat pen or angled pen. Flat pen is just more relevant when talking about composite armor era tanks.
You can’t dismiss an entire perfectly legitimate concern just because there are a few… “special forces” that take it to the extreme.
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Cool it can get m833 when it goes to 11.0
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Why would it go to 11.0?
Why should a tank with 400mm KE at most, 1st gen gunner thermals and none other, and 395mm of pen face Leopard 2A7Vs, Leopard 2A7HUs, T-80BVMs and Strv 122s? Lmao.
The whole point is that M833 is still worse than any other shell found at 10.7 and you still insist that it needs to be higher than any other 10.7 with a still worse shell…?
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