Do you know the other fox3 missiles you’re mentioning are 13.3+ on decently maneuverable platforms right?
Obviously I am comparing it to other 13.0s like the early flankers, F-15A’s, F-16A’s with IR irccm only, M4k, etc
at 13.0 with fox 3 we have, f4f ice, ja37di, av8b(the worse brit one too), j8f and the kfir C10. These are all flatly superior with better flight models and missiles besides the rwr on the ja37 which is actually worse, the radar on the F-14 is worse than all of these besides the ja37. I honestly don’t understand why you’re selling the fakour90 as equal to medium range fox 3s, it is not, (the r27er is a better missile for normal gameplay) and has a different use entirely it is for long range and is not good closer than 5 miles with the seeker just being worse it’s literally just a better aim54 which you can literally always avoid by just paying attention to your rwr and flying 90 degrees for a few seconds, it is not a super missile, and the platform will be DOA at 13.0 unless somethings changes. It being an event vehicle is a poor excuse as to why it should be rendered useless.
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it’s actually already modeled in game files, together with F-14A IAF, but somehow it didn’t come together.
AV-8B =/= SHAR
it would be great if we built our own version of AV-8B+(Ish)
(Blue Vixen install plan on Harrier GR.9 which was considered at the retirement of SHAR FA.2 in 2002, but dropped out due to cost, and never built eventually…)
yak141 exists even in a weird gimped way so there’s hope
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Those have bad flight models, how can you even suggest that they have better flight performance than an F-14?
I did mention decently manouverable, not bricks. Only the AV8B+ maneuvers decently but that thing is very slow for 13.0 and has aim120 which is bad for HOBS, doesn’t pair well with slow platforms.
I do think these fox3 carriers at 13.0 should go up, but we need to decompress to 14.7 or something before doing that
they are not “bricks” stop coping because you were wrong, they are better in air rb than the f14a which is the most “brick” like of the aircraft the with better missiles/more countermeasures and you don’t even have the persian tomcat so your opinions on the fakour are literally just speculation. And the aim120 is has the longest range and longest burn time of any medium range fox3 so i’m curious which you think would be better for slow platforms.
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They aren’t?
A phantom at 13.0
A viggen, which has the worst energy retention of any modern jet
A Kfir, an average dorito, bleeds speed fast.
2 subsonic harriers, one of them is a sea harrier which is not only slow, but a brick as well.
If you think the F14A is worse regarding flight performance, you are out of your mind.
Don’t forget that the fakour is one of if not the fastest missile off the rail, and although has low G overload, it reaches it quite fast compared to a phoenix.
If the normal F-14A is a balanced aircraft at 12.7, the IRIAF version should clearly be above it. It has much better radar missiles, not forgetting the R-27R which is also better than the aim7F due to higher maneuverability, datalink and inertial guidance, even though it has a shorter range which is irrelevant in most situations.
I don’t like these 13.0 with modern fox3, but top tier is so damn compressed that we need to fix that first in order to put every fox3 platform (except f14s) 0.3 up at a minimum.
The F-14 IRIAF will be better placed at 13.0 than 12.7 for now, it is too strong to be facing 11.7s.
The av8b+ would be much better served with something like a derby.
The aim120 is not the fastest in close range and is the least maneuverable to make HOBS shoots, which the harrier needs because of its slow speed, it is often defensive.
No, it isn’t (in a 1v1 scenario). But tomcats rarely engage in 1v1s. They just shoot all their ARH missiles and RTB.
Agree, addition of missiles like R-73 will help the tomcat to an extent but it won’t suffer at 13.0 without those upgrades as well. The range of the Fakour-90 rivals the R-27ER. They can often hit multi pathing targets with their bigger explosive mass and proxy fuse. These missiles will carry the plane at 13.0.
Before you complain that it is over tiered and can face typhoons and rafaels, know that it is not because it is over tiered but rather because of BR compression. If you complain that F-14A facing 14.0 planes is unfair, you should also accept that 3rd gen planes facing F-14A is unfair. F-14A is right where it needs to be. F-14B is right where it needs to be, F-14A will soon be where it needs to be.
The fakour has considerably better range than even the R-27ER. I often try to intercept IRIAF tomcats in the flanker and even though I launch my ER much higher and faster than the F-14, the fakour will get near me much faster than my ER gets to the F-14 assuming he doesn’t go cold like an idiot, in which case my missile would be easily defeated. (For this I unlock the target for most of the ER course and only relock when the missile gets close, to not give a warning all the way.)
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The IRIAF will be in the same situation of the F-14B, it will be mid at 13.0 but because of compression, it can’t be lower, and neither can the stronger 13.0s be moved up.
For now 13.0 it is.
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yes the f4f ice is better, it’s around the same speed with comparable agility and just a superior kit, the viggen too baring radar/rwr, the kfir is also just superior. And you know nothing about the fakour90 as you don’t have it so stop talking about it, it’s clear you don’t or you wouldn’t try and fight it in the only way it’s actually good, why would you try and bvr fight a plane with long range fox3s at altitude even then you literally just have to turn and chaff 4 times and he is a free kill while it’s VERY difficult to notch an r27er under 6 miles. Honestly if you can’t beat the f14 everytime in the su27 you don’t understand how jet battles work.
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He is not wrong, techinically. If you compare 1v1 yes F-14 if played well it will mop the floor with any of them … assuming the player knows how to defend with it.
The problem is that in game that is the very last part of a match and not all matches.
For the majority of time we talk about 16v16 that will escalate quickly.
There the only purpose of F-14 is to supress from the start with F90 and AIM-54s, then hide for the mid-range part and go for a swipe by the end of the match. Literally you skip 70% of the game.
While all the others you said, assuming they survive the supression (they can … the planes…players do not) they will play 80% of the game with Mid range ARHs and IRs.
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I would take the f4f ice with 4 aim120s (he wouldn’t even know was heading his way until well within pitbull range) and 4 aim9Li (f14a engines are over 2000 degrees and you have small cm only gl lol) over missiles i can easily defeat any day, for air rb the f4f ice and other 13.0s are better. Most players with insane stats in the persian tomcats are literal rats and will fire all their arh missiles and rtb and if they face any other player they will j out or try or if they do fight abuse airfield aaa (seriously that needs to be removed). my favorite jet is the su27 and i have every aircraft in the american, german, and soviet tree, I know this br like the back of my hand.
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i just asked about who said the AIM-9M has 40km range because even Wikipedia says only 35.4km
The US government?? The Theoretical range is 40km. It’ll never hit that, but theoretically it should.
“Think of the downtiers” doesn’t work anymore. The IRIAF at 12.7 didn’t face any planes without RWR, or countermeasures (not that you even need those to decoy the missile). And with that down-tiering of the F-16A from 13.0 to 12.7 and the Eurofighter making the Mig-29s played a lot more, there were never 4 of them at once in a downtier.
How so? At 13.0, All-aspect PD radar, Digital RWR, All-aspect IRCCM missiles, and Modern ARH missiles are all standard. I only asked for the 1/4 of those things. That’s the bare minimum.
Whatever you try to claim, the Fakour is only good at 1 thing; BVR. Modern ARHs are good at both CQC, Medium Range AND BVR. So by the standards of its BR, it’s underperforming heavily in its avionics suite, heavily limited in its weapons suite, and it’s only slightly better than half of the planes at its BR.
- Most of the time, that’s not true. Just a few cherry-picked examples.
- Its only viable playstyle is to crutch the Fakours. I can see why a few people might do that because once you’re depleted of those missiles, you’re in a 12.0 aircraft.
I don’t see this as a problem even if it were true, which it isn’t. You can still multipath Fakours very easily. Hugging the ground (>15m) against a missile that size should result in death. You still have the 55-20m range to easily multipath them.
Yes, it does. However, you can easily defeat the Fakour by notching/going cold, and it’ll never hit you, which then you can easily reengage and guide in your missile. I just did the same thing to 2 IRIAFs like 3-4 days ago in the Su-27. You see them launch, you launch the ER with a loft, go defensive immediately, visually WATCH the Fakour follow you to the notch, go into the notch, chaff 1-2 times for safety, and complete the circle. Every single time the Fakour is defeated and the IRIAF gets slammed, if not, I hit them with an ET when I recommit and they die anyway. I swear it’s not rocket science.
pun intended?
Yup :)
there are so many things wrong with your made up rant lol.
It does. F-14 gets a primitive RWR, sure. But its not useless. Only thing it lacks in current form is threat identification and differentiating between track / lock. 3rd gen planes like Mirage F1, Mig-23ML, JA37D face the tomcat and they don’t even get accurate info in RWR to properly notch. F-14A rwr gives a solid tone which indicates lock/launch with accurate signal strength indication. If you still die with these info in hand, that’s a skill issue on your part.
It is a well known fact in WT community that an average tomcat player fires all their ARH missiles and RTB. Even CCs joke about this.
I am convinced at this point that you are just trolling lol. If a tomcat is a 12.0 plane, then what are 3rd gen planes like F-4S, JA37D supposed to be? Tomcat sure is better than those.
After looking at all these clown takes, I suspected something and looked at your profile. Why am I not surprised? lol.
Nope, bigger warhead and proxy fuse is a legit threat. Not to mention how some maps are just unreliable for multi pathing.
Bruh, you don’t even have Su-27!
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