We already got primaries for the radar improvement and second hand accounts by US officials, the information however was too imprecise to use for a bug report. The radar was allegedly improved by 50% to 100% but Gaijin obviously needs a specific value before implementation.
It’s more of a fact that the radar did indeed undergo upgrades, whether the same can be said for the RWR and other subsystems is up for question however.
There was also a proposed plan to retrofit F-14As in Iranian service with Russian equipment such as the Pastel RWR and other things alike iirc
I think it could sit at 13.0 with r73, I mean give the f14b aim9m and it’s a side grade, irrcm missiles are already normal for 13.0 so it wouldn’t be anything,
Sorry, but this is nonsense. The plane is not equal to other 13.0s. Any upgrade it gets it’s completely warranted at 13.0. Putting an F-14A at 13.3 how ever you try to twist it is completely unacceptable in this current state of BRs.
Given the circumstances of Iranian information, thats not an easy task. Gaijin knows this, which is why they modeled the Fakour and Sedjeel after what the Iranians stated their performance is. It’s very clear that Iran isn’t keen on keeping records or sharing them like the other countries.
The Aim-9M also has a “40km Range” on it. It’s not accurate. If anything, thats an indication it has around the range of an Aim-9L or M. So around 3.5km at best.
The IRIAF F14 still has fakours over any 13.0. The best radar missiles the B has are the sparrows, phoenixes are way too slow to be useful.
The problem with the IRIAF F-14 at 13.0 is that it has a very strong ability while the rest is meh. But it deserves that BR because of that ability to bring fakours.
If you don’t want to face higher BRs just play the normal F-14A, it’s the same platform but with worse missiles, you don’t get the fakours or the R-27Rs, but it’s a decently balanced 12.7.
You’re just comparing the potential range of the Fakour-90 to other Fox 3 missiles instead of the effectiveness in all environments, the AIM-120 and MICA-EM are far more effective and more versatile missiles. The IRIAF F-14A shouldn’t be sitting at 13.0 unless Gaijin plans to introduce something new to it like a new RWR or radar upgrades.
A good RWR is essential at this BR and the IRIAF F-14A just doesn’t have it, it’s like going blindfolded into a sword fight whilst having the longest and generally speaking best sword out of the lot.
Aka, you’ll be slaughtered
The Fakour-90 also inherited the same seeker as the AIM-54A in-game since information on the Fakour-90 and other Iranian domestically produced missiles is pretty scarce, and because of this it also makes evading this missile laughably easy.
The AIM-120 and other modern ARH missiles also recently received a chaff rejection buff, this didn’t apply for the Fakour-90 however making the perceived range difference negligible as most RWRs at top tier can alert a player of what, when and where missiles are launched.
The 40km of range for the AIM-9M is in perfect optimal conditions, in theory it could be achieved but is incredibly unlikely (and basically impossible) and a more consistent range would probably be around 3km. Many missiles have their range displayed in perfect conditions, this isn’t anything new.
at 13.0 with fox 3 we have, f4f ice, ja37di, av8b(the worse brit one too), j8f and the kfir C10. These are all flatly superior with better flight models and missiles besides the rwr on the ja37 which is actually worse, the radar on the F-14 is worse than all of these besides the ja37. I honestly don’t understand why you’re selling the fakour90 as equal to medium range fox 3s, it is not, (the r27er is a better missile for normal gameplay) and has a different use entirely it is for long range and is not good closer than 5 miles with the seeker just being worse it’s literally just a better aim54 which you can literally always avoid by just paying attention to your rwr and flying 90 degrees for a few seconds, it is not a super missile, and the platform will be DOA at 13.0 unless somethings changes. It being an event vehicle is a poor excuse as to why it should be rendered useless.
it would be great if we built our own version of AV-8B+(Ish)
(Blue Vixen install plan on Harrier GR.9 which was considered at the retirement of SHAR FA.2 in 2002, but dropped out due to cost, and never built eventually…)
Those have bad flight models, how can you even suggest that they have better flight performance than an F-14?
I did mention decently manouverable, not bricks. Only the AV8B+ maneuvers decently but that thing is very slow for 13.0 and has aim120 which is bad for HOBS, doesn’t pair well with slow platforms.
I do think these fox3 carriers at 13.0 should go up, but we need to decompress to 14.7 or something before doing that
they are not “bricks” stop coping because you were wrong, they are better in air rb than the f14a which is the most “brick” like of the aircraft the with better missiles/more countermeasures and you don’t even have the persian tomcat so your opinions on the fakour are literally just speculation. And the aim120 is has the longest range and longest burn time of any medium range fox3 so i’m curious which you think would be better for slow platforms.
A phantom at 13.0
A viggen, which has the worst energy retention of any modern jet
A Kfir, an average dorito, bleeds speed fast.
2 subsonic harriers, one of them is a sea harrier which is not only slow, but a brick as well.
If you think the F14A is worse regarding flight performance, you are out of your mind.
Don’t forget that the fakour is one of if not the fastest missile off the rail, and although has low G overload, it reaches it quite fast compared to a phoenix.
If the normal F-14A is a balanced aircraft at 12.7, the IRIAF version should clearly be above it. It has much better radar missiles, not forgetting the R-27R which is also better than the aim7F due to higher maneuverability, datalink and inertial guidance, even though it has a shorter range which is irrelevant in most situations.
I don’t like these 13.0 with modern fox3, but top tier is so damn compressed that we need to fix that first in order to put every fox3 platform (except f14s) 0.3 up at a minimum.
The F-14 IRIAF will be better placed at 13.0 than 12.7 for now, it is too strong to be facing 11.7s.
The av8b+ would be much better served with something like a derby.
The aim120 is not the fastest in close range and is the least maneuverable to make HOBS shoots, which the harrier needs because of its slow speed, it is often defensive.
No, it isn’t (in a 1v1 scenario). But tomcats rarely engage in 1v1s. They just shoot all their ARH missiles and RTB.
Agree, addition of missiles like R-73 will help the tomcat to an extent but it won’t suffer at 13.0 without those upgrades as well. The range of the Fakour-90 rivals the R-27ER. They can often hit multi pathing targets with their bigger explosive mass and proxy fuse. These missiles will carry the plane at 13.0.
Before you complain that it is over tiered and can face typhoons and rafaels, know that it is not because it is over tiered but rather because of BR compression. If you complain that F-14A facing 14.0 planes is unfair, you should also accept that 3rd gen planes facing F-14A is unfair. F-14A is right where it needs to be. F-14B is right where it needs to be, F-14A will soon be where it needs to be.