14.0 or 14.3 dont really matter, you will always fight 14.3, deal with it
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F15c notches much better than the su-30 though. IMO it’s more than enough
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Even if GE contemporaries all gain next gen IRs at the same time in this hypotetical future update, next gen IR missile will still be an objective advantage and improvement to the plane that will help to level the playing field further. Id much rather enter a dogfight with Rafale flying worse plane but with next gen IR than worse plane without next gen IR.
To put it differently, a plane with next gen IR will be extremely dangerous at close range, even if it might not be the best plane at its BR.
And even if the gained advantage when compared to its contemporaries might not be as massive, it will still be massive advantage against older planes that will not have this feature.
I wouldnt be against such addition, nor dropping the GE down to 14.0.
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The F-15CGE is clearly a close-combat aircraft. It has excellent ground maneuverability, and it now has an excellent radar. It lacks close-combat missiles, specifically the newer AIM-9. The AIM-9M is already significantly outdated. It’s probably the weakest missile in the top tier. But the gaijin don’t want to introduce the AIM-9X. However, if the F-15CGE were to receive the AIM-9R, it would be much better than the M version.
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uh… no? An advantage is called like that because you have a strong point related to your peers on something? If you’re facing an EF with an AIM-9X Block I/Meteor with the F-15C GE carrying 9X Block Is, you don’t have any advantage at all. If anything, you’re increasing the technological gap, compressing the bracket.
Powerful at downtiers, unnoticeable difference when at its br because everyone else holds that feature.
They won’t add the pylons/racks, I’m sure of it. 14.0 or even foldering the vehicle under the F-15C sounds way more realistic of an approach.
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Aim 9r is still mediocre in terms of maneuverability, all it is is a focal plane ir sensor on a aim 9m essentially
The AIM-9R has a TV seeker, slightly better jamming resistance. Then there’s the earlier AIM-9X Block 0. Limited lock-on angles, no LOAL.
russian main, really, so me who fight everytime a f15e and f15c cant have argument bcz i am a russian main ?? your wrong bud, i am both russian and german main, when i do bvr with ef2000, f15 always got advantage on climb rate and notch speed, yet here you are still complain about how bad is it. offended by everything ashamed of nothing
Isn’t this just false? Typhoon can go into a notch way quicker
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that what i said…
Stricto sensu, yes.
But should we limit ourselves to talking about advantages in stricto sensu, dismissing context?
Because if we do, it could be theoretically argued that there is currently no need for next gen missile/AMBER racks/lowering the BR for GE, because stricto sensu GE has objective advantages over its contemporaries.
Over EFT it actually has better radar and can potentionally load up 2x more ARH missiles while over both EFT and Rafale has way more CMs.
EFT only advantage over GE is better FM, and Rafale advantages over Rafale are better FM and better close range missiles.
But this ignores context as obviously FM advantage of EFT and Rafale is much more important than two additional ARH missiles (moreso when its the AMRAAMs on top tier plane were talking about), so I dont think we should go this way.
So yes, even if everyone recieves their respecitve next gen IRs at the same time, having next gen IR is advantage over not having one, and even if two planes with next gen IRs are compared, it levels the playing field between them more.
if it gains enough traction, why not.
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Actual crazy skill issue. The EF2000 has better top speed than the F-15E(which is already faster than the F-15C) except above 10’000m. The F-15E accelerates like 1 second faster than the EF-2000 at sea level then is outaccelerated at altitude.
The EF-2000 is also better for notching with its radar gimbal limit and big maneuverability advantage at ALL speeds and ALL altitudes.
Go check the FM yourself here:
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If you can’t understand that lacking thrust levels of Eurocanards/F-15E while carrying the same amount of missiles and only having a good radar/BOL as redeeming factors makes a plane DOA, then it’s on you.
My best educated guess is that you’re mentioning the F-15E, and even if you’re wrong about being faster than the EFT, it is still more suited for BVR (albeit having a worse radar) than the F-15C GE while being 0.3 BR lower, hence the irony. If you mentioned the F-15C MSIP II, then you’re effectively clueless.
The F-15C GE is not 14.3 material as it landed on the game.
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He’s not even correct there. It’s that bad. The F-15E is slightly faster than the EF-2000 at sea level but the EF-2000 outspeed it at altitude.
7000m:
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Corrected, ty for the metrics above.
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Lol
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ofc i am not correct, i dont have the f15e that why i told you my perspective when playing the ef2000, how can you expect me know every details about a plane that i only face and not play it, i am sorry if you didnt understand
No offense but then don’t call skill issue when you’re so wrong about this.
It’s a known fact that the F-15E can’t run from the Eurofighter, BVR worse than it, and can’t merge since the Eurofighter outturns it so hard one circle or otherwise. So yes, people have a right to complain about how bad it is. If you think you have it bad in the Eurofighter against the F-15C or E, you’re the one who need to learn to play.
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and the f15 ge it got all a 14.3 need, there no reason or argument to put it 14.0, plus i dont think will allow aesa radar to be placed at 14.3 plus 600 cms, same as why the gripen in 13.7 instead of 13.3.
AESA radar, 600+ cms and good missile make easy 14.3
Meanwhile F-2A at 13.7 with its AESA. Okay buddy.
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