I will point out that there is enough here to do a reasonable sub-tree without much copy-paste. Is there a lot of copy-paste in the suggestion to pad out possibilities? Sure, but thats also how basically every tree is these days
Also i just want 3 identical Leopard 2A4 in the Swedish tree for the malding it will start.
The fact that the main reason you want even more German vehicles in your tech tree is because of the (rightful)seething it would cause, says more about how entitled the Swedish player base is than a thousand copy-paste gluttonous unrelated suggestions ever could.
(for example 2x K2, F-16, F-18, 2 or even more entire subtrees while other OLDER nations don’t even have 1(one))
No its because of how funny it is.
Now this is wierd, because i distinctly remember the same sentiment when Italy was involved. Im just here because people get angry over the silliest of things.
Italy’s fine to have the kf41 because Italy needs it. What matters is they don’t go too far in ruining the point of tech trees. They can still add it to Germany and the Puma is just a better ifv anyway.
I don’t see how a 3rd Leopard 2A4 which is identical to the other two ruins the tech tree any more than the second 2A4 did.
While offcourse laying the groundwork for “rightful seething”. People get way too upset at a tree suggestion that has all the possibilities put forward, just because it has vehicles present elsewhere in the game.
The point you’re missing is the game is based on developmental nation tech tree. What does Norway do? What does Sweden have to do with Norway? Its illogical and its just favoritism for money.
It has interesting vehicles like the NM116, and offers flavor adding vehicles to the Swedish tree. Not to mention would offer Sweden with a legitimate top tier helicopter without resorting to dubiously grounded vehicles like they have up untill now.
Sweden and Norway share a very long border and have a very very long military history together. Both recently and in the past having current close cooperation and Norway being the subject of many many wars between Denmark and Sweden. A better question would be to ask what do they not have to do with eachother.
It is allready present in the Swedish tree with 2 Premium vehicles.
I dont understand what is illogical when its essentially the most obvious potential sub-tree that Sweden can get. The next option being Denmark.
Well, if that was the goal, just do the meme of making every Norwegian vehicle in the Swedish tree be a premium. Which would also be funny, so id be on board.
“Germany” and “German” ironically fits where ‘Sweden’ and “Swedish” is in everything you just typed…
Edit: I’m not saying thats not a point; its just a generic point and it chronologically doesn’t fit with Sweden development. Norway bought all its upgrades and vehicles from foreign suppliers just like Denmark so they simply don’t have a chronological development that makes sense for a tech tree.
Germany and Norway share a very long boarder?
And has fought many times with Denmark over Norway?
Germany has dubiously added top tier helicopters? (Looks at in service Tiger UHT)
And last i checked military cooperation between Germany and Norway kinda extent to normal european NATO situation, and is otherwise fairly limited in the past outside of occupation during WW2 if you count that as cooperation.
I meannof you think the subtree fits better elsewhere, thats fine, but it should probably go somewhere other than Germany as that has a rather meaty tree atm. I mean add Norway to Japan due to fishing exports? I dont really care for the qualifiers for adding a nation to a specific tree, i just want a good game and fun vehicles.
Gaijn won’t let us have fun vehicles or make tech trees make sense or make vehicles make sense thats why its so toxic to add copy-paste tech trees. For example, Italy can have the Hungary-bought hf-41 because they practically need it, but Gaijn still has a Puma IFV at 10.0 with a nerfed armor layout and a 30mm autocannon while Sweden is getting special treatment with leopard 2 variants.
Which tree outside of America, Soviet Union and Britain does not contain a load of imported stuff?
I dunno what this means, Norway, just like Sweden has nice chronological vehicle upgrades. From Chaffee to M48 to Leopard 2
Then why did you ask for the generic sub-tree justification? Because it has all the qualifiers for that
Well no, they got it because Hungarian sub-tree.
Sure they do, like the Sturmmorser or many many other vehicles.
Like who here is saying no to fun vehicles other than the people outright saying no to a sub-tree suggestion because not all the vehicles are 100% unique
I mean the big problem is Norway having a leopard 2 doesn’t make it Norwegian. That’s just cope; thats not what nation tech trees are designed around.
Its like weird Americans calling anything American just because that’s good to them
Its wierd, noone claimed it was a Norwegian vehicle.
Its a Leopard 2A4 potentially upgrades from Leopard 2A1 (or early production 2A4) the Netherlands bought which the Norwegians bought second hand making some alterations like changing the machine guns.
And if Norway got a sub-tree it would be the go-to addition for a 10.3 MBT in that line, since they used it for decades and still do.
Short summary
They have cooperation between military in case of war
The unique vehicles could be interesting
Copy paste vehicles aren’t needed but they probably wouldn’t make a difference
Besides what DiamondLag already mentioned when it comes to the connection between Sweden and Norway, there’s also the “Nordic Defence Cooperation” or “Nordefco” for short where all the nordic countries work together to increase their defensive capabilities in terms of war
Our countries are also planning or has already started a cooperation for a joint air defense to counter threats
Eitherway lets take a look at the other issues
as a Sweden main I don’t particulary care about the copy paste stuff but i do like some of the norwegian modified stuff that they have
For your issue with more copy paste, it would probably not make a difference ingame as most people don’t tend to bring 3 copy paste vehicles in a line-up
In top tier i tend to bring a single strv122 without backups and usually skip on the 2A6 for something like the CV90 105/120
Norway and potentially Denmark would be kinda needed for Sweden in the future when more advanced MBTs starts being added as Sweden pretty much only have 1 new variant of the strv122 being made which just replaces the gun + thermal but that’s where it ends
meanwhile if you look at the Norwegians, you got 2A7NO and 2A8NO which could help out
Honestly i’d prefer one of their vehicles to replace the crappy T-80U that’s currently a squadron vehicle
Funny how you guys always bring up the “unique vehicle” argument but IMMEDIATELY forget about it afterwards and beg for more german equipment. How about you don’t get Leos and instead ONLY get the unique stuff?
No, a Leopard with a different MG is not a “unique modification” (or substantial enough) not matter how much you cope about it
“Nordic Defence Cooperation”
So? Sweden should get 4(FOUR) subtrees because of some cooperation IRL? How about we add every G7 country’s equipment to every G7 member’s tech tree? Man I would LOVE to have a Type 10 in the French tech tree!
What about the V4? Hungary is in the Italian tech tree and Hungary is part of the V4 so surely Italy should’ve gotten the Slovak Moderna
For your issue with more copy paste, it would probably not make a difference ingame as most people don’t tend to bring 3 copy paste vehicles in a line-up
I don’t think you guys understand the point of the “copy paste problem”. It’s not a problem for Sweden because as you said, it does not make a difference for the most part. For GERMANY on the other, it DOES matter, because it essentially turns their tech tree from “Germany” to “Worse-Sweden”. If Sweden gets every German tank in existence because some neighbouring country had them, what’s the reason to grind Germany exactly? If you want German tanks just grind Sweden and you get to play both German AND Swedish tanks for grinding 1 tech tree. If we just gonna add every vehicle to every tech tree, what’s the point of even having countries? Just split ww2 and cold war+ and make NATO vs Warsaw Pact
Norway and potentially Denmark would be kinda needed for Sweden in the future when more advanced MBTs starts being added as Sweden pretty much only have 1 new variant of the strv122
Why is it “needed” exactly? Just accept that your country did not make or buy a better MBT. It’s not even the same tier as something like Italy as you already had one of the best MBTs in game, meanwhile the Ariete is… well… an Ariete
Ultimately, Norwegian vehicles are a goldmine for Gaijin because of the immense wealth of Norwegians haha. And we all know they woudn’t say no to that stuff. Add a Norwegian premium air jet, and I guarantee every single Norwegian War Thunder player would by it.
Then add sub trees to Germany aswell???
and what would that solve exactly? At most Germany is going to get a Leo from the subtree country which… you know… they built, so they should already have that.
I mean it would absolutely not make sense to add Norway to the German Tree, but nations like Poland and the Netherlands would fit.