Seeing as the only variant of the F-20 Germany tested was the very first prototype (originally designated as F-5G-1), and never had any of the advanced avionics (no APG-67 radar), you’d basically be looking at a better F-5E (only better engine and 6x 9Js). I’m gonna be honest: you want an F-5 in the German TT? Add a Swiss air sub tree, because then you can get a Swiss F-5E
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+1
It was the version test flown by WTD61 but it would have been evaluated on the assumption that it would be equipped with the AN/APG-67 and other avionics intended for the F-20.
Yes, but the prototype they evaluated wasn’t capable of equipping any of that (the second and third prototypes had a slightly re-designed nose to account for the slightly larger radar)
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Yes, but as I discussed earlier in the thread, there is more to evaluation than just test flights. The F-16 for instance was never even test flown by Japan.
Even then, the F-20 still doesn’t exactly make sense. I’ve seen other folks above state that there really isn’t a place for it or gap that needs to be filled (unlike what happened with the AJ).
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Personally, I’m of the opposite opinion. The F-20 makes sense for Germany because besides the US, Germany is the only other in-game nation to evaluate it. Germany and China are also the only nations without a multi-role fighter and well, there aren’t many option for Germany beyond a Tranche 2 Eurofighter.
At the end of the day it isn’t up to me, you or them, it’s up to Gaijin. This is only a suggestion.
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in my own opinion, i don’t understand the reasons behind not giving a plane due to said plane not being able to “fill a gap.” the evaluation itself is more than enough to be under scrutiny, but if we just bar nations from getting planes due to a BR overlap, i think we’re getting into the weeds.
the bottom line for me is that there are vehicles in this game that have been added with less legitimacy, so it’s a possibility for Gaijin to give more life to the German tech tree in the short term until we possibly start getting into the Typhoons. top tier crazy missile loadout or not, i just wanna grind my favorite tree.
The actual distinction to be made here is that (regardless of how Gaijin implemented it in game) the F-16AJ was a unique modification only offered to Japan. The whole reason Japan was unable to test fly it was because one of the 2 modified airframes had issues. This is just an F-20A that would be functionally identical to a US version. Much more was done with the F-16AJ to make it a serious sales proposal than just slapping a German flag on the plane.
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This modification did not exist; the Japanese were shown a regular test F-16, without modifications that were in the brochure, there is nothing unique here, on the contrary, there are more contradictions
Correct, Japanese pilots observed some YF-16 flights. Gaijin gave Japan a standard blk 10 F-16.
This is a suggestion for F-20 Tigershark. Go somewhere else if you people want to have schizoid discussion about F-16AJ for the hundredth time.
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The british and the canadians also evaluated it, the second protoype was lost duringtesting in canada XD
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+1 definitely needed for German tree
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the question tho is what would sit right with you?
Clearly not the F-20 that was tested in the US
so… what about the F/A-18B tested in 1982 at the WTD61 in Manching Germany?
or the F-15B also tested in 1982 at the WTD61 in Manching Germany?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542117958684639244/1123310977040003324/F15.png
gaijin (smin) repeatedly stated that the EF2000 is '‘too advanced’'to be added…
so what else? the ICE? that thing will be dead on arrival. Gen 3 airframes are just food these days in the current 16v16 air rb…
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Probably something like the Swiss F-18, they got the Swiss Hunter (regardless of my opinion on that), and given the fact that the Alphajet exists and could’ve filled that gap, it stands to reason it was to open the tree up for future Swiss additions to fill that gap. Of which the Swiss F-18 makes the most possible sense.
Britain already suffered out with Gen 3 airframes at top tier for a year so it’s not unheard of that Germany would receive the F-4F ICE as its the only aircraft they actually used. However as Switzerland has been briefly integrated into the German tree, there are now non-domestic options.
hence why i listed aircraft we evaluated…
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None of those aircraft are a Swiss F-18?
They are aircraft evaluated by Germany but not purchased and not used outside of evaluation.
and smin said the swiss hunter was a one of
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Perhaps, but either they backtrack and give us a Swiss F-18, or that means the Eurofighter is coming sometime soonish. I highly doubt they’d leave Germany with just the F-4F ICE.