Non-US AH-64E should get DIRCM

I suggest to give LDIRCM for all AH-64E for balance. Right now LDIRCM is necessary for top-tier helicopters to be useful. Iris-t and other similiar spaa, ground spikes, proxy fuse IFV, FnF from other helicopters, EF2000 with brimstones and so on is too much for any helicopter to handle at the same time.

I don’t understand the logic of the developers, because for top-tier aviation, for example, they gave much less important things (which were also usually not purchased) to balance the same plane between different nations.

Just the first thing I remembered:



It’s really strange that the smoke/smokelss 9L-I-1/9M missile is considered by the developer to be an important element for balance, but LDIRCM is not.

Although LDIRCM provide a HUGE difference in efficiency between helicopters. Helicopters without LDIRCM are basically useless, regardless of whether they need to guide missiles themselves or their missiles are FnF.

Yes, I understand that some (mostly USA mains) may not like this, because it blurs the uniqueness of the trees and let be honest: it really cool to have your own cool toy that nobody else have. I understand this position, but unfortunately LDIRCM become so important that it is literally the only thing that determines whether a helicopter is playable or not. It’s still a game after all, and I want the balance to come first.

Thank you for your attention.

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Having same rail for sidewinder != having mount and provision for LDIRCM.
That especially can be seen on Taiwan’s AH-64 - as that is older version overall. Also on british - upgraded using base from older helicopters.
Youve provided 0 proof that older AH-64E and baseline 64E can use LDIRDM without modification(maybe apart from software)

I’m literally asking for this: “Devs decided that all … can receive this system upgrade for balance”.
Why would I need proof in this context?

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That is significantly different case.
Examples you provided - weapon systems. What you wanr to get - entirely new subsystem

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Ah yes, “viable”. Rafale is also “viable”, so was 2A7V on release.

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I didn’t really get it. Maybe I used the word “viable” wrong. Changed it for “useful”.

All but Chinese Apache E have the same model tho with the DIRCM balls at the end of wings. So given Gaijins logic for their JAGMRs of can use it can have it ig,and here being even on the models itself,they should get it.

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Nah the description you shouldve gone for is “busted as hell”

I don’t mind if jagm is taken away from them at the same time. LDIRCM with only manual guided missiles is fine. I believe that ldircm + FnF is a huge mistake from gaijin.

I wouldnt have issue if LDIRCM worked as intended - that is, limit to missiles it can affect at one time, coverage according to the sensor placement, affecting the IR seekers it should but not affecting those that it shouldnt.

instead we have 360° forcefield that can defeat infinite number of missiles, so if the heli is hovering below multipath alt, theres literally no counter but jet with cannons and maybe TV guided munitions (and even then im not sure that the LDIRCM doesnt affect them). Hell, prop might be more effective counter as it its harder to target it with heli self defense missiles.

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No.
they dont

What helicopters or versions of current helicopters can get DIRCM?

They do. Its literally on the model of all of them but the Chinese one.
US 64E:


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British Apache,same DIRCM ball
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Indonesian one aswell
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Dutch too
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Those are AN/AAR 57 CMWS (Common Missile Warning System), MAWs basically, not DIRCM

Realistically the Indonesian Apache shouldnt get the DIRCM because it was never equipped with one, dont know about the other nation’s

None of non-US AH-64E should get one.

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just like IRIS-T was?

Spoiler

though even as a heli enjoyer I still don’t understand why Gaijin thought LMUR/JAGM MR/CM502/BA-11A was necessary.

LDIRCM was more than enough to keep Helis relevant while the range of Hellfires/Vikhrs etc. meant they could still be checked by the previous SACLOS SAMs

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Its just the cycle of WT
We have X problem
Gaijin fixes X problem by introducing Y, which is too powerful and now we have Y problem
We have Y problem
Gaijin fixes Y problem by introducing Z, which is too powerful and now we have Z problem
And it just repeats.

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I would have zero issues with LMURs/JAGMs. I would have zero issues with LDIRCM IF it worked correctly.

Because then, counterplay would simply be to overwhelm it with IR terminal missiles.

I’m not sure if pressing a button twice instead of once counts as balanced counterplay

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in such scenario, LDIRCM would provide the helicopter with both warning and extra time to defend by employing flares and ducking behind cover. also the whole resource managment aspect of sending two missiles after one heli if you cant reach cap to rearm yourself etc.

preferable gameplay loop to Mi28NM sitting below multipath alt and just sh*tting out LMURs uncontested.