not nerfed because not enough people play it to be worth the cost of modelling the turret basket
Yeah, probably
Thats on you budy, at least you had the opportunity to aim and shot back
You can still aim your gun with the hull.
Repairing your autoloader then reloading your shell should take you 20-30s, and that level of damage happens on most penetrations anyways.
The only thing that mmatters in this whole topic and ones in the future
“All of the top tier tanks are fake anyway. Anybody who works in tank development knows this. Therefore you are arguing for real documents, that don’t exist because of NATO classification procedures, to affect tanks that are imaginary.”
Quote from @Conte_Baracca
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That’s an overexaggeration to say the least.
You need to realize that autoloaders aren’t always filled to the brim and you could’ve easily shot at the empty part.
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Problem is, LFP shots for both vehicles now result in instant debilitation - taking out both the engine, driver, and now horizontal drive.
The whole idea that Abrams’ LFP was unreliable to effectively kill it is now out the window.
The only place where you can’t shoot is the Cheeks and sometimes the UFP.
As for the 2A7V, I can somewhat understand a nerf like this.
Yes because the auto loader actual had a purpose IRL. The turret basket did not control anything it saying it did. It as just for crew Comfort. This so just a nerf to some NATO tanks due to creating more 1 shot postal of the abram’s with the spall or a crazy reload time.
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Well, apparently they are going to add it to most, if not all NATO tanks in the future.
Though I’m not sure if Eastern MBTs would get the same treatment.
Ok, i’m not sure about other NATO tanks but the abram’s turret basket is for crew comfort and nothing else.
How is it useless? I’m pretty sure it is regarded as one of the lost armored and best MBTs in the world.
That’s very fair and I agree.
Maybe if they get damaged it could hinder the ability to load a new shell like it would irl.
Pretty sure BVV_d said it’ll receive it
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Honestly that’s fine, maybe a turret roasting speed decrease? Not a full disable. It would be less of a nerf if it didn’t create enough spall to one shot a Abrams instead of disable it
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Abrams already had the hydraulic pump down in the hull so most LFP shots disabled your engine and horizontal traverse anyway.
This will definitely reduce that hole of nothingess it had before.
The real problem is Gaijin adding new features without caring how those will reflect on the balance. Decompression is much more needed than these turret baskets, but yeah.
What do you mean ?
Damaged autoloader already prevents reloading until it’s fixed.
It basically acts as a turret basket that has a tendency to explode most of the time.
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Yeah, I could see that with the later variants, as the better penning rounds (like DM53) creates a lot of spalling and the hydraulic pump catches all the fragments.
Though for stuff below 120mm DM33, this is much less the case.
The hydraulic pumps affect the 11.3-10.7 Abrams moreso than the 11.7/12.0s - that’s for sure.
But with this change, all of the Abrams’ LFP are going to be an easy way to kill them, if not the massive turret ring.
You may have to still shoot at them twice, unlike the T-Series, but the LFP is much larger on the Abrams, and you have other devastating weakspots to choose from that are generally easier to hit too.
I think it would be a reasonable change if they added the ‘turret ring’ basket to Eastern MBTs, but I think this change nerfs NATO MBTs more so than Eastern ones, which might not be that bad of a thing to be honest.
From what I saw, it basically completely negates any advantage the spall liners gave it when shot side-aspect.
Agreed.
ZTZ, VT year 3 waiting for gaijin to give them spall liners
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Yeah but theres something call incorrect implementation and pure bias
T series when ammo rack result in 100% chance of fire/explosion, unlike ingame have a 50% chance of just kaput
T series tank autoloader are connected directly to turret ring and are protected by the thin turret basket
This tell you how gaijin makes these mechanics
they base every tank on THEIR tanks which is absolutely not true
T-series tank do that to help shed weight, easier assembly and produce
NATO tank are different, not the same
They implement T series mechanics to NATO tank that are completely different
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And the T series loses ability to load if it’s damaged to much.