While I wouldn’t argue against it, those are very different levels of collaboration, as the M24 turrets were spares that France had sitting around, while the FL-20 turrets were mounted with the intention of garnering contracts (ergo future profits for Fives-Cail)
Still the fact is that in the program France didn’t do anything (or Sweden) it was 100% Swiss even if the components weren’t,
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I see what your on about french = add it in France no matter what but if it dares use anything french from another nation even if it had nothing to do with France it should be in France as well
That was as a company not as the nation, it’s like saying everything that has the L7 gun should go to Britain, because a component was designed and made in France it doesn’t make French everything it touches
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Did both companies work on the vehicle from start to finish? That’s a joint project. Otherwise, it’s one nation’s project just with exported equipment; otherwise, we could start arguing every MBT with an L7 is a joint project with the UK.
If the French company didn’t do anything past selling the turret, then under that logic this is a British-American vehicle despite neither nation having worked on developing it (or using it)
War Thunder is also a game of operators; the addition priority is as follows:
- Who used it
- Who tested it
- Who built it
Of course, there are more nuances like stuff built by a subsidiary going to the nation the subsidiary has a home in. Or the US mains being able to cry loud enough they get stuff they had nothing to do with. Unless your logic is “other nation built this part, it’s joint,” even if the nation built the part had nothing to do with it. Then at that point it’s a joint project with the US even tho they rejected the vehicle without testing, along with other things that make it have no connection to the US.
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Centauro Draco, passed to the dev 2 years ago (March 2024)
Th OTOMATIC was for a SPAA, and the draco a polyvalent weapon system : anti-aircraft,anti-missile, anti-boat, …
I want a unrestricted 76mm dart.
Note the infrared guided rounds !
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Also Pakistan, that got pushed out of any techtree vehicles because Chinese players said they preferred their own vehicles.
Not an unreasonable thing to want, but it’s insane that there can’t just be both and one nation has to suffer from anothers decision.
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That’s why I’m coping well get a Swiss coastal sub tree. Plenty of room for those.
I’d like having both. Subtree folders free up space where there’s multiple nations, but often one nation can already need more space than five lines, like the US/USSR trees that are already running out of space in some areas even without a subtree.
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Indeed.
Sadly, people seem to think that unless it is completely unique (not a single part of the vehicle is in game yet) and fills a gap the host can’t, said sub-tree vehicle should never come to WT.
At that point, why even be a sub-tree when you lose worse than a homeless nation under a system like that? Might as well be homeless, and we all know how bad being homeless in WT is; after all, Canada has long since been the example of why that treatment is bad.
Oh, I agree, and I guess I wasn’t clear enough in my post. A sixth line does have use, as long as it isn’t primarily being added to fix sub-nations’ space issues.
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It’s also telling that barring the Su-25BM, all post soviet vehicles in the USSR are of russian origin and the ground tree is as big as it is (tbh I get the feeling that Gajin don’t seem that keen for the other successors to be in the tree).
Would be nice to see in the Chinese tree though I bet it would be a event vehicle.
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Swiss build tonk don’t adopt tonk don’t sell tonk.
Sell one part of its fire control system though for millions.
I am looking forward to the Swiss tree they built lots of prototypes and there tech is more advanced then you think. They also jacked up a hetzer
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All Hail the Fail! From fastest to forgotten.
Brewster SBA /Naval Aircraft Factory SBN
The prototype first flew in April 1936, however development and production delays meant the first serial airframe was only ready in Nov 1940 by which time the design was obsolete.The 30 built did service trials with VB-3 and VT-8 before relegation to training duties. By August 1942 the type suffered from lack of spares and was subsequently retired to oblivion.
I’d like to see it in both trees similar to how the stingray is even though the US didn’t use the stingrays
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That’s a flame tank post WW2 Czechoslovakia. Would not know where is would go likely USSR in some sort of infantry tree.
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Anti drone mini gun on abrums test tank would have some use in infantry mode mostly against building snipers.
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It would go in a Czechoslovak tree 💪
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