I literally emphasized Singapore on the wishlist. Of course I want to have domestic vehicles too, like:
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But I much rather have the Singapore vehicles when there’s still a chance
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you said it, not me
With german style muzzle brake.
Might not end up being the case, bub :
China can only debate on getting M1A2T or not.
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one can only hope. That’s why I wanted it in asap, before Gaijin can change its mind. Personally, I’m willing to forego vehicles being added into Chinese TT for a whole year or two in exchange for the Leopard 2SG and F-15SG being added into the Chinese TT
what’s the debate? ROC uses it, ROC is part of Chinese TT, therefore it should be in the Chinese TT. It’s only a matter of when.
My own perspective on this is, if we are getting a sub-tree instead of a reshuffle that makes China a 5-line nation (won’t happen) I’d rather that sub-tree be Singapore.
Suggesting Pakistan, Laos, Myanmar or Cambodia (and Vietnam especially) is making a fool of yourself. North Korea on the other hand is decent for ground, but has no air. Singapore is the only really decent sub-tree China can get.
So I hope they go ahead with it. ROC/SG lineups have been my dream for a while.
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In my opinion China doesn’t need anything from Singapore. They already have access to Pakistan and Bangladesh if they want a subtree.
- F-15SG → J-15, J-16, Su-35
- F-16s → JF-17 Block III, J-10B, J-10C, Pakistani F-16C Block 52+, RoC F-16V Block 70
- Leopard 2SG → M1A2T, other domestic MBTs
All of these Singaporean vehicles should go to a TT that is either lacking in these departments or could benefit greatly from getting them.
Both Japan and Israel would greatly benefit from having the F-15SG in their tech trees. It provides a proper top tier platform with a proper AESA radar.
Japan’s only other options are the F-2A (which isn’t top tier for a reason) and F-15JSI (which isn’t in production yet). I should also mention Thailand doesn’t have the JAS39E yet, so that’s not a clear outcome.
Israel doesn’t have a top tier AESA carrier until the F-35 unless Israel upgrades their Ra’am or procures their F-15IAs faster. So again the F-15SG would be a good, clear option.
I could go on. Japan would benefit from getting a modern F-16C Block 52+ from Singapore as it would be an alternative to the F-2A and JAS39C. Israel would benefit from getting a modern Leopard 2 variant so it doesn’t just have Merkavas and Namers at top tier. The point is that China has their own options while other nations would benefit much more from getting Singaporean vehicles than China would.
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Make DIRCM jam less missiles at once. EC665 and IRIS-T are basically useless for me… And seeing how your whole team dies to one helicopter - just makes top tier not fun anymore
With Indonesia being added into the heli tree, they comfortably solve the issues with both the Air and Heli trees, Rafale F.4s have begun low rate deliveries with the first twin seater changing hands recently, which should plug the gap until F-35s arrive. Heli wise they operate AH-64E, though without only 114Rs buuut wouldn’t be too much a stretch to just add JGAMs.
(They also have a similarly upgraded 2A4 to the 2SG)
(They also operate my beloved Scorpion 90)
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Is there such a thing as a T-64AMV? I.E. a T-64AV with the 1000hp engine?
We have flamethrower tanks and even a boat with flamethrowers.
Why not flamethrower planes?
(He-111 and Ju-88 with flame throwers, Not sure what their exact model is though)
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Yees.
US makes and operates them
I think pretty much every 64E is JAGM compatible. But Indonesia isn’t really as close to the US as other 64E operators so it could be different
What’s different between the F-15I and the F-15SG? They’re both strike eagles
Oh I just realized the F-15I doesn’t have an aesa, that’s unfortunate
Nope, but there’s a similar one.
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(disclaimer: following is a talk from ground PoV)
The the surge in anti-SG-to-China responses came after Chinese community refused VT-4 to Thai subtree. In that way people repudiated the M1A2T addition.
Royal Thai Army uses it, Thai is part of Japan TT. ~ See?
So, now. Similarly, the WT community outside of the Chinese bubble community can go against top of the line Abrams as well.
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And, the other discussion is that if China do end up getting a ~top of the line NATO MBT M1A2T (I do want it in Chinese TT btw), why they get another in the form of an upgraded Leopard 2 as well?
Especially since we’re talking China here, which is supposed to be self sufficient (both in WT and IRL)
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I think the message here is instead that neither of these should be seen as an issue.
As for Singapore, I just want Singaporean feedback to be used to make the decision. As long as this is done I’ll accept the outcome. As long as it’s also not used as an excuse not to fix Chinese vehicles that is
I posted my reasons in the official thread, but not going to here because I feel like this is leading away from the topic.
I could give my two cents on that since I consider myself at least 50% part of the Chinese community, but won’t for the same reason as above
Bottom line: Idc what other people think. I wish for the Singapore vehicles (especially the F-15SG and Leopard 2SG) and the M1A2T in the Chinese TT