Wasn’t DM63 completely identical to DM53 aside from the propellant getting swapped out for one that is less likely to cook off on a hit to the ammo?
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still can’t believe it was added all the way back in 2020
Yep! Which is precisely why I don’t believe it would be out of place for the most modern Leopards (2A7s), Challenger 3 (TD) and EMBTs.
It would just be a more historically fitting shell for them, safer too, but not any more powerful than DM53.
Even if they understood the sources, DM53 still is the 120mm best shell in the game and it beats 125mm by a mile. It doesn’t need to be buffed.
There isn’t much they could add that would be an “evolution” when it comes to MBT gameplay
And T-80BVM, Russia’s finest tank, was added in 2021.
The first Strv 122 was also added in 2020!
It’s not about “buffs” or “nerfs”, it’s about historical accuracy. War Thunder was always marketed as a game that didn’t artificially alter the technical data of armor of munitions “for balance”.
Well, for starters, implementing modern MBTs properly.
SEPv3, for instance, even with 1990s hull armor values, would have felt somewhat better than the rest of the M1s, as at least it would be able to withstand 1980s shells, for instance.
The 2A7s could have been implemented with better armor than the old 1990s Leopard 2A5 prototype; instead, they refuse to model its improved internal armor. It could also use DM63, etc.
The Leopards could have received the armor reworks they were promised 4 years ago now.
EMBTs could have come with DM63, representing a leap in capabilities.
Merkava Mk.4s, Leclercs, Type 10s, Oplots, etc, could all be given their proper armor, but they are not.
Etc, etc, etc. There’s plenity they could have done so that Top Tier doesn’t feel stagnated.
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How about the promised Leopard 2 DM Rework xD
I saw it in a dream like 4 Years ago xD
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about the Sep V3 how is the armour situation like again? The frontal armour is supposed to be thicker correct? How is it like in-game right now compared to the SEPv2?
Additional I woukd also like to see the animations fixed for the EMBT Suspension and for the H145M Rotors/Doors which are still static from 3rd person…
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Balance comes first.
Better armour modelling doesn’t make the tanks feel different, the gameplay will still be exactly the same.
Ground top tier feels stagnated because it literally has stagnated. There are no more jumps ahead without getting into MBTs that haven’t entered service yet and even those will feel almost exactly the same as the current top tier MBTs.
Still waiting for the Challenger 3s damage model to match the 3D model
2A7A1 is in Service :3
Would a 2A7 with Trophy really feel any different than one without Trophy?
In the 1990s, a proposed package increased M1’s hull effectiveness by 35% KE, which would have made the hull at least imprevious to 3BM42.
It would make sense to assume that, at the very least, the Americans would have implemented a similar package to the 2010s SEPv3.
But the devs didn’t even give it that old value. Instead, they only increased SEPv3’s protection by 16% KE compared to M1, so it’s incapable of even withstanding 3BM42.
As of now, SEPv3’s hull armor is barely Leopard 2A5-level despite being 20 years more modern and several tons heavier.
Basically;
M1: 370mm KE.
War Thunder SEPv3: 430mm KE.
Minimally sensible SEPv3: 500mm KE.
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Yes, because you would not die every 2nd time to a Russian CAS/Tanks/IFVs
Guys, there is Infantry Test but ww2 mode
Can Trophy intercept regular tank shells or did USSR players switch to gun launched ATGMs on their MBTs because their APFSDS sucks balls?
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In that case Trophy actually makes the balance problem even worse for redfor lol
But I’ll grant you that, it would make the 2A7A1 feel different, just not for a good reason when it comes to tank to tank combat
Better Optics
Up armoured compared to 2A6, not META shifting as its only a Sidegrade to 2A7V
Better Mobility than 2A7V
Sounds good enough to me
Still just a Leo 2 at the end of the day.
That’s what I’m trying to say regarding the stagnation.
There definitely are some tanks left that would probably play differently, like the 130/140mm armed MBTs and the ones with unmanned turrets.
Even though I hate top tier, stuff like the KF51, Leo 2 A-RC or Leo 2-140 or other nations’ equivalents would pique my interest enough to try to get into proper top tier.
A Leo 2A7A1, Strv 123 or even the proper Challenger 3 wouldn’t be different enough from what I can play at 10.7 to get me to subject myself to CAS and FnF heli torture
Something with Iron Fist would also be cool, but sadly most militaries went with Trophy :(