If you want to make a comparison, here are two examples: Challenger 2e and Leopard 2a6ex Demo 2. They weigh the same.
66.5t is literally the combat-weight in the heaviest configuration the Bundeswehr operates the 2A7V in.
The maximum weight is <69t according to KNDS… (6t lower than the combat-ready weight of a challenger 2)
You are comparing a canceled challenger version that never went into service to the 2a7V now lol
Your own statement was the challenger 2 weights less.
Thats moving the goal post buddy
the combat weight of the challenger 2 is 64T not 75T
your the one who brought up the 2E and it isnt a cancelled challenger version its an export version
and yes it does. the base challenger 2 weighs less than the 2A7V if we start talking about uparmoured versions then yeah the challengers obviously heavier
67.4T you getting it wrong again
“with add on armour modules”
where does it say that?
We are comparing a 2A7V in its maximum weight configuration (that is used by the BW) featuring addon-equipment with it.
If we didnt, then 2A7V would still be lighter as it’s 63.9t w/o the underbelly mine-protection.
(and again the maximum vehicle weight of a 2A7 is literally 6t lower than the COMBAT WEIGHT of a Challenger 2 with addon-equipment (combat-weight != maximum weight))
So idk why we are having this argument here in the first place.
Challenger 2 is heavier than a 2A7V in comparable configurations. Period.
huh i never did, what you talking about lol.
you brought it up
ah yeah, tell me the nation that bought it lol, it has been stoped since nobody got it as far as i am aware
please provide sources, and again 2E is not a base challenger 2
quick and lazy way
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again im not talking about the 2E
oh and theres the leopard ingame for comparison if anyone cares
Base Cr2 without any add on armor combat ready weight is 64t
67.38T is with Dorchester Level 2E kit equipped.
Why would you compare a Base CR2 to a 2A7V?
because the Black night is a tech demo the 3TD is a tech demo the 2E is export and the 2F TES and OES are all armour packages so it being heavier with them is basic knowledge
But wouldn’t the 2A5 or 2A6 a better comparison?
Like, why not compare a T-80 with a T-80U
I’m trying to understand this discussion about the weight comparison between the challenger and the Leopard
@Rzi4628-live You can say it as many times as you want that the leopard weighs more, what remains is that it has at least a 1500hp engine to compensate for the aforementioned weight, this cannot be said for the challenger