Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion

[Fireraid233]

Gaijoob when 40 long lances :(

[AspectOfTheRAGE]

It was already extremely annoying to face due to its inconsistent damage-model (especially against APFSDS at the BR-Range), but now with the reload-buff, it should most definitely go up…

[_Renzo]

Before this it was mostly just mid or mediocre at everything beside it’s armor.

Now with the 6 second reload I think it might need to move up to 10.7. The only problem is, that leaves the T-80UD/BE.

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

@Michael-IR

Yeah I guess it gets Relict on the sides making it trolly with some specific shots at around 90* but if you aim it right you get proper results

Well I suppose youre playing a different game to the rest of us then because unless you kill crew the BMPT is near impossible to kill, its ammo almost never detonates and good luck killing the crew in one shot consistently

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

And imo the Russian MBTs are by far the most annoying in game purely because theyre the only tanks I cant just look at and kill without aiming at a pinpoint frame thats 50/50 of actually working or getting hit by volumetreic and hitting that one spot of 1000mm of armor

And this alone makes them extremely powerful

Not to mention the carousel eating rounds that normally would detonate ammo, and the ammo being another 50/50 of actually killing the tank

[CollectorOfSins]

[Morvran]

Yep 100% agree. Everyone needs to be given equal ERA, whether that means nerfing soviet ERA to the point where it does nothing 90% of the time like on NATO tanks or buffing NATO ERA up to soviet levels.

This double standard of ignoring NATO Reports regarding ERA (like the dozen for OES/TES for example) whilst leaving soviet ERA capable of stopping Tandem warheads (actually report in for this from 8 months ago) is just frustrating.

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

“Nato ERA is capable of stopping up to 30mm cannon rounds”

Gaijin: "Ah so 30mm of kinetic armor yes? "

lmao this has always made me laugh

[Morvran]

Yeah…

Or

Primary source:

Challenger 2 has STANAG level 5 protection

Gaijin:

@OrsonES

When comparing to other vehicles that are equipped with Armor Shield R, what’s not taken into account is the possibility that the design of the armor package may differ from vehicle to vehicle depending on the primary protection of each vehicle. The current implementation of this ERA in the game does not contradict with documents presented in the report, so we’re not going to make any changes or revisions to its protective capabilities.

Because STANAG rating means different things form vehicle to vehicle apparently

[CollectorOfSins]

I love how Gaijin saw the oplot and was like, “Yo this ain’t going to the russian TT? Yeah. Ok nerf the ERA and don’t even extend the ERA to the engine, just like halfway. Oh and use like the sniper configuration for the vertical transverse. Don’t give it the same as the other russian tanks. Peace out.”

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

But its funny it actually got modeled fairly decently numbers wise afaik, which I was fully NOT expecting

Though I am sure its missing a decent bit of protection

[Pheonix_RX01]

Armor is a balancing factor, its why gaijin pushs armor as a suggestion as stated by Smin when we asked about the MK.IV missing its Stanag level 5 or 6 armor compared to in game where any 20mm AP from WW2 can go through the turret while still weighing 38t

[Morvran]

Yeah… its pretty clear that:

@magazine2

Having said this, we always analyze feedback and will change things if it improves progression through the game, improves balance, or makes gameplay more interesting and enjoyable. This is as long as the changes don’t contradict the principles of realism we want to maintain in the game, however.

Simply was an untrue statement.

[Pheonix_RX01]

Armor on the CV90 MKIV is incorrect // Gaijin.net // Issues Community Bug Reporting System

Standard gaijin response when they dont wanna add historical features since they want it to be a fictional way that fits their view of the vehicle

[XSpaz1NOuTX-psn]

At this point I wouldnt be suprised if some fictional vehicles are more realistic then vehicles that exist that can be reported on. (Not including those Russian Magic Fantasy ships that piss me off to the ends of the Earth)

[Michael-IR]

@CollectorOfSins

don’t even extend the ERA to the engine, just like halfway

Afaik ERA only exists for the frontal half of the side skirts to protect the crew and autoloader from these 45* hits. Engine compartment is only covered by spaced armor. Oplot is indeed lacking some ERA but it should only be extended for this section which as of now is empty in game.

[BasherBenDawg8]

[Michael-IR]

@CollectorOfSins

Oh and use like the sniper configuration for the vertical transverse. Don’t give it the same as the other russian tanks.

Isnt it exactly as other Russian tanks tho? I’m checking it now in game and it got the traverse speed of T-80U-E1 which makes perfect sense as all these fancy high-end Russian stabilisers are very modern and have nothing to do with Oplot development which still reuses some legacy T-80 components.

[CollectorOfSins]

A while ago, I saw someone post a source saying that the devs used a number from a brochure specifically for sniper mode. I think they made a bug report but forgot what’s the status on it. You could be right though, its complicated.

[Michael-IR]

It might have better traverse speeds irl but what it got in game is still great considering T-80U-E1 is the 2nd best Russian T-80 when it comes to gun handling.