Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion

Hopefully we get some more BeNeLux stuff.

They where a victim of Gaijin’s inconsistent way of adding things(especially involved the “C&P”). Hopefully they get both high and low tier additions as TT. yes I’m still waiting/hoping for the Dutch Ram IIs as TT

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Is the Sea Harrier FA.2 suddenly not an AMRAAM carrying Harrier at 13.0?

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brother, the sea harrier is the only harrier counted as fighter…smh

i thought the event t-80 is russian lol it will go for china, then it will be higher in cost in marketplace

germany had those tanks and one day they will be added to germany, im sure, like strela and osa

Does that somehow make it better than the Kfir C.10?

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its also debateable if it should go down to 12,7, but rn im talking about the c10

Neither of them should go down. Other things should go up.

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Not neccessary but sensical. No need for more DDR vehicles, unless they are something that the soviets cannot offer, like KPz T-55AM2B, KPz T-72S, KPz T-72MUV2 would be acceptable since they are actually exclusive to DDR until other tech trees were realized.
On that note I do think there could be ex-warsaw pact vehicles to be temporarily resided in Germany(that is also unique to non-soviet PACT), before a tree representing them be added. T-72M2 WILK for example.

i also said the harriers have the better kit, either its better weapons but same amount (which is already wrong bc sea harrier can use 4 9M + 2 Aim120) or better weapons and more of then as in the Av8Bs.
and also they all have more flares
and once again im repeating myself, almost like u try to isolated this topic only to airframe and not the Kit

The kfir C.10 is worse than the KWS and J-8F, with the first two having not much worse radar and a fox3 that is capable at both long and short ranges. It is better than the SHAR, but Im hesitant to compare it to the AV-8B+. AESA dont mean much because they dont fire amraams but really just radar guided R-73s.

the infact 4 IRCCM missiles which kfir is lacking ;D

The J-8F would be the best comparison. Both lacks IRCCM capable missiles, and are upgraded legacy airframes which focuses on instantaneous nose authority over continious turnfights(they both suck at energy management).

The J-8F gets two PL-12 which can be played like AMRAAMs and enough avionics to guided it. Good in close-in as well. Less missile but at least dont have to multipath its way into the game, drop some height when notching and the speed is back.
The kfir gets four FOX-3s that would require its slot for python 3s. Effectively radar guided R-73s. Has to multipath its way into the game. AESA irrelevant because its missiles refuse to go beyond 20km when people are defending it.

The J-8F can pull a good load of Gs.
The kfir can pull even more Gs but soon found itself at 300kph as an easy target.

And the J-8F is already quite exotic and isnt the best 13.0 already.

I would be against it getting python 4s. Even with a fourth gen IRAAM its speed bleed, lack of CMs and other factors will hold it back, plus it is even harder to balance because when people say it should go up with point-and-kill missiles, its other attributes becomes irrelevant.

the P4 would make it atleast more viable in the toptier bracket also bc 13,0 means 14,0 everytime

And P4 isnt something special, regarding flaring it, it just behaves like a 9M seeker, the range and manuverbility are beyond cracked tho, like 27ET level

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Sure, you can take 4 Sidewinders and 2 AMRAAMs on the Sea Harrier, but why the hell would you?
In Front and Side Aspect the 9Ms are just as unreliable as the Python 3 and most of the time you will have more success launching an AMRAAM in close range anyways.

Either way, not a single one of the planes mentioned so far should be moving down. The Kfir deserves its placement at 13.0 and just like plenty of other cases, decompression is the answer, not recompression.

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this is just wrong, 9Ms most reliable launch solution is sideaspect, because of how the irccm of it works

When launched by anything that isn’t a Harrier, sure

didnt know the plane you are launching from is determining how the missiles seeker behaves -.-

There is a difference between launching a missile from sub sonic or super sonic speeds. There also is the factor that you are gonna get way fewer good launch conditions in a Harrier than in any other 9M platform (except for the A-10C, but that’s another thing)