Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

It’s going to be interesting to see how the line continues.

Gaijin has a category for strike aircraft specifically, but China’s last true “strike fighter” is going to be the JH-7. I say they put the MKK and MK2 in the Strike Fighter line after the JH-7’s, best place for it imo.

I mean, the US has developped stealth jets on its own, you don’t need to, but it just greatly speeds up the process, just look at Operation Paperclip back in 1945. The US already had jets but they were bad, the german research just sped that up.

The US was not a developing country then, but innovation spreads from it’s source, take warships for example, every WWI and WWII battleship was fundamentally inspired by the HMS Dreadnought

The US got the jet engine technology from the UK!

USA was gifted a Gloster E28/39 and they then gave it to Lockheed to develop the P-80

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Either he was wrong the first time, then, or things have changed the since.

Brother the whole of NASA was built on Operation paperclip🤦‍♂️

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Do you have any statement from him that is newer, as of right now this is the latest statement on it I know of.

Ok…but prior to that the US has always acquired technology through partnerships, theft or purchasing.

and so has everyone else and their mother has at the top and down below so it’s not that news worthy

M1911 was a very advanced weapon for its time, it wasn’t stolen or bought outside of US.

AR-15 and 18 and 10, which most modern rifles are based off, are all American designs

M2, which just about every western military uses, was made in the US and was also quite ahead of its time

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Everyone gives China and Russia crap for doing this but the US gets a pass. US has heavily leaned on the massive wealth of European partners expertise. They stole Soviet technology, they paid 100k for the first Ak-74 captured in Afghanistan.

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A legendary design

To add on, fly by wire was initially made in the US, and it just so happens to be the only reason the vaunted eurocanards don’t drop out of the sky

Agreed, no one cares that say the USS Delaware was as much an HMS Dreadnought copy as the J-20 is an F-22 copy or that all early jet fighters were based off of British and German designs

Did US outright steal information and documents about the HMS Dreadnought?

That’s the key, even like USSR, they got me262 and British engines to develop their jets, from su9, su11 then mig9/15, also the rockets V1/V2, you can’t say they steal, basically it’s like use as references, The British creat the first tanks, do they have the best tank in the world now?

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Are you sure about that, we have Germany with the first concept, Avro Arrow in the 50s with the first working version and then Concorde. US did use the first digital fly by wire computers became a thing.

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Do you have any proof that China or Russia stole information and documents about the F-22.

Monkey see, monkey do is like a basic law of human nature, it goes without saying that you see something good you want one for yourself, the fact is that ideas can’t be owned, it took China at least 20 years to develop the J-20 and development started right around when the F-22 first took flight, so was it espionage, or was it research, China have a huge military budget and none of the political flip flopping that the US does, there’s no reason they couldn’t have built it themselves, it’s not like the US is the only nation that can make new things

can we stop with turning r&r into some kind of bragging match

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None of that was true fbw, the avro arrow just used electric input to move hydraulics like any other aircraft, US was the first to make a true fbw system in the 1972 NASA F-8