Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

@Smin1080p_WT

4 examples of reports that have not yet been resolved is a very inaccurate view to take on things verses the very many that have.

Oh, but it’s not just 4. There’s dozens; I just didn’t want to clog the thread.

@Smin1080p_WT

Reports are fixed on a weekly basis

Thing is, not all reported topics are the same.

It will be claimed that this is subject to subjectivity; but I believe it’s a truth that a bug regarding a co-axial machine gun having the wrong name/ammo count isn’t as relevant nor has such a big gameplay impact such as an entire nation’s Rank VII-VIII MBTs missing spall liners, a core mechanic.

Rather inconsequential bugs being corrected doesn’t really justify how such bugs with enormous impact on vehicles and the game can be “accepted” for such large amounts of time…

@Smin1080p_WT

Spall liner reports in particular often are submitted with very limited evidence and need much further review before any modelling work can begin on them. We first need to be certain the vehicle has them so that situations are avoided where we would have to remove them later if the evidence submitted was proven incorrect.

In the Chinese reports, I’ve seen not only sources of all kinds, but also significant amounts of photographical and video evidence, which were enough for T-90M’s spall liners. After a full year, I would have thought all of that to be enough evidence to do something about the Chinese MBTs’ spall liners…

But if there’s an even worse offender, it’s Type 10’s steering; broken since release and reported years ago, still unfixed.

@Smin1080p_WT

I have personally answered you on this on several occasions recently including some of the very reports you linked again above.

Yeah, sorry about that again- I was browsing the thread and saw you discussing bug reports with someone, so my brain automatically rushed to the good fight again, hahah. And as always, thank you for the fast responses and sorry for bothering you- after all, I know it’s not like you could get these bugs fixed.

Once they fall on the “accepted” void and they spend months/years like that, it’s almost worse than not being acknowledged at all.

@Smin1080p_WT

I would appreciate if we can avoid having this discussion reopened every time someone mentions “bug report” or “Type 10” here. As its not the place for it to be discussed over and over. Keeping the topic on track is already challenging.

Just saw this edit- yeah, I already concluded about that and admitted fault for bringing this up again, but please, also understand that an extremely passionate player and dedicated customer is frustrated with the state of these many issues of the game when nothing ever seems to be enough to have them fixed.

[artan24]

f-5 is a dream cool jet, if you have time and want it, grind it

i have been asking swiss f-5 for germany for a long long time lol

[artan24]

its a water thing, not fire lol

fire fighter tank for oil facilities

[artan24]

when a subtree nation will come to germany? we can wait for it this year?

[Smin1080p_WT]

@SPANISH_AVENGER

Oh, but it’s not just 4. There’s dozens; I just didn’t want to clog the thread.

Equally there are thousands that have been fixed. So this is rather fruitless metric to use to show “reports are not welcome”. All valid reports will always be welcome.

@SPANISH_AVENGER

Thing is, not all reported topics are the same.

It will be claimed that this is subject to subjectivity; but I believe it’s a truth that a bug regarding a co-axial machine gun having the wrong name/ammo count isn’t as relevant nor has such a big gameplay impact such as an entire nation’s Rank VII-VIII MBTs missing spall liners, a core mechanic.

Rather inconsequential bugs being corrected doesn’t really justify how such bugs with enormous impact on vehicles and the game can be “accepted” for such large amounts of time…

Issues of all sizes are addressed. Not just minor ones. Major updates typically also cover a huge range of issues of all scales, including many long awaited corrections, weaponry additions, DM fixes and more.

Once again, focusing in on a small group of cherry picked examples to ignore the many that have been addressed is not an accurate representation and not a valid way of saying “reports are not welcome” as you claim.

@SPANISH_AVENGER

In the Chinese reports, I’ve seen not only sources of all kinds, but also significant amounts of photographical and video evidence, which were enough for T-90M’s spall liners. After a full year, I would have thought all of that to be enough evidence to do something about the Chinese MBTs’ spall liners…

Investigations on the T-90Ms spall liners were already ongoing whilst the vehicle was in development. Its a common misunderstanding that spall liners were only added solely due to the bug report that was submitted, however much background work and research was also conducted by our devs and consultants internally. As is also being done for Chinese vehicles were solid and reliable information can be confirmed.

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

All I can say as to not further feed the eternal vicious cycle as you asked is- I will be looking forward for the next major update.

But not so much for shiny new toys (that too)- rather, in hopes that many of these issues are indeed addressed and fixed as you said. Over the year 2024, there weren’t practically any regarding Top Tier MBTs (only Leclerc’s reload- didn’t forget about that! But it’s just one of dozens); so I hope 2025 is the good year!

In order to avoid more off-topic on this thread, allow me to link two threads I created precisely with the intent of discussing those matters on a more appropriate topic dedicated to them; that way, if anyone wants to continue the discussion, they may find a better place to do so here:

The kind of Major Update the game has been NEEDING for a long time

poll Instead of elaborating an explaination, I’ll just show an example showcasing my point; [patch notes] Why can’t we get something like this? And the examples on this picture aren’t even a fraction of all of the issues I have collected from across the Bug Reporting Platform and Forums. These kinds of corrections and changes should have been coming in “It’s fixed” episodes, Minor and Major updates over time; but, instead, they remain unadressed for months and even years because “it’s imposs…

Another year without MBT fixes...?

I am once again disappointed to see that the Dev Server of the last update of the year has brought no bug fixes regarding MBTs. DOZENS of SIGNIFICANT bugs have been reported over the years, and even “acknowledged”… but it means nothing. There just doesn’t seem to be the… motivation to finally actually address and fix these bugs. Here’s just a very brief selection of some of the worst offenders; first, about the Challenger series- then, about the Abrams series, and then, about many other MBTs …

[battlerog]

it’s not like you have an actual need for one right now … reminder that the main goal of those for gaijin (for now) is to fill gaps … they aint really any [significant to the point of becoming problematic] gap in the german tree

[someweirdname]

any news/Leaks/Rumours so far?

[Shay]

@Tubby_Vermin

Are you half glass full or empty kind of guy ??

I am a “the glass most certainly exists” kind of guy.

@Tubby_Vermin

Are you not interested in the weapon skin or the Penguin ???

Former no, latter yes. Regardless, however, I’m not doing anything differently other than having a set goal for score each day, so it’s not exciting or anything.

[artan24]

said the french guy who already have got two f-16s lol

[battlerog]

i never said wee needed them , were wee had a need was the gap between the leclercs and the AMX-40 for exemple .

what gaijin puts in afterwards is out of my hands .

it doesn’t change my point

[artan24]

lol

[Dontkev]

Nothing

[joshje100]

Also the Eurofighters can’t have the cockpit button lights modelled in the live server even though they were present in the Dev server because “The labels on the buttons depend on the selected operating mode. This is not implemented in the game.”
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/sNRBtIYVNwxT

Meanwhile the Rafale gets modifications from it’s export variant which the current version didn’t receive in French service. It’s hard not to see the Rafale as Gaijin’s favourite currently.

In short, can’t have pretty lights in Eurofighter cockpit but the Rafale can be the wrong version.

[Rowiek]

its sad that these vehicles are being removed…
Then we literally have NO domestic CAS planes.
We all know that these planes are going to be replaced with some C&P stuff.

I’ve also never heard a Japanese main asking for these things to be removed.
The only people who are complaining that these things should be removed are the people who have never touched the Japanese TT.

@WreckingAres283 @Grzegames @Noveos_Republic @Sick2day What do you folks think? I think its absolutely unnecessary.

I bet these unique domestic planes are being replaced by some simple C&P. Probably another F-84 variant.

Going from 8 rank V Japanese vehicles to 5. Almost cutting the entire Japanese rank V in half.

[Rowiek]

Well… the frames are real. The stats not so much…
But Gaijin doesnt want these documents.

I mean… unless you do. I think some people i know have these docs.

[Swokе]

at least fake ones

Spoiler

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9480747528

[Rowiek]

Not only that, but by removing the R2Y2’s they are removing 3 of the only 7 unique and indiginous designs for the Japanese air TT from Rank V to rank VIII.
Since Gaijin doesnt add unique domestic Japanese designs to the TT.
So from the only 7 unique and indiginous designs, 3 are being removed, leaving only 4 unique aircraft from Rank V and up.

[Kamikadze_Guy]

Would love to see them

but it is very complicated since there is two sides, who wants paper designs. Other is, who dont want.

[Otrabrok]

T-80U should be a squadron, to keep up the tradition.