Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

With 4S/600+deep penetration, who would go play with 7.1/577 deep penetration? no one

Someone needs to make one for the S-70. “Sorry, i was lagging” or something. Every stealth aircraft lost MUST have a snarky poster, i don’t make the rules

Yeah it does, you’ll get an F-86L, one of the Sabre dogs, which is absolutely a good plane. And if you’re worried about ground attack, which is, honestly, what Japan needs more, you get alpha jets at 8.7.

Don’t they have the T-84? Regardless, I don’t think Japan needs more MBTs. While they are certainly on the smaller end, as it stands they have as many 12.x MBTs as the US, Italy, Britain, and Russia.

They don’t, and it wouldn’t make sense for China to get them. Singapore would make more sense to be put in the British tech tree owing to, from what I can gather anyway, being a former GB colony, the two parting on good terms, and the two nations having good relations today, including a defense agreement. If anybody knows better, please correct me. I don’t know where an Indonesian subtree would go, but my first thoughts wouldn’t turn toward Japan.

Which would still be more then Indonesia and Singapore from what I can tell. Far as I am aware, the only AA vehicles they have ever had are some trucks with MANPADS bolted on, which, while not nothing, could only be at brs 9.0+, which Japan doesn’t really need. Could they use a, like 10.0 SPAA? Yeah, but not to the point to needing a subtree for it, and I didn’t exactly do particularly extensive research, so there are probably others you could add from Thailand, especially for armored cars with MANPADS strapped to them.

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So what is the significance of investing energy and time in developing the German technology tree? It lacks any unique features, while other technology trees have better performance on the same vehicles, incomplete systems, and no future. Can you refund me the money so that I can make a new choice?

Kinda? I dont really know to be honest, far less connection than someone like Canada at the very least I think

It is a commonwealth nation at the very least, and I will admit, has a few vehicles like the Hawker Hunter F.74S Id enjoy getting. and I think its not the only export vehicle. But as a Full Sub-TT, no Britian really doesnt need Singapore.

Japan is really desperate for a Sub-TT and I think an ASEAN sub-TT would be the best option and I cant think of another option that is viable. Also, doesnt mean they will get every single vehicle from every single country, like Britain doesnt even have something like the Buccaneer S.50 from South Africa yet, both an export vehicle and a sub-TT vehicle. ASEAN just gives Japan the most amount of choice to pick and choose.

Also, nations like Singapore dont really have anywhere else to go imo, China has way better options for Sub-TTs, if they need any at all. Considering they are technically already 2 nations.

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I forgot this, I’m thinking about modern Iran. though NK is still not quite a Chinese vehicles user, only some J5 jets as I remember, it got things direct from USSR. But it’s still considered as potential best Chinese sub for many reasons, still, the result of a separated Korea should be considered

not translation. but I think still my fault, I should use more quote

Well, now you’re all satisfied. The Chinese faction lost Singapore and will continue to be a place where no one cares, haha, more people want Singapore to go to Japan TT - how many Singaporeans are there? And how many Japan faction players are there?

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Is the Singapore to China thing even real from the beginning? The Chinese leaker seem to imply he have not heard anyting about it.

The leaklist that said that also included several things that have been proven to be wrong.

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The leaklist in question.

Whilst some items seem reasonable, they could also be easily guessed based upon assumptions/recent datamines.

I think its unlikely imo. Though also could go either way, Gaijin seems very… Random… With Sub-TT placements these days

maybe a misinterpreted rumor. here is my imagination:
Gaijin is studying a Chinese sub, choosing a region, they listed possible regions, including Singapore, which do have many Chinese culture influence. Somebody heard this, then leak to the leaker, not sure how many intermediaries it through, and finally it’s misinterpreted.

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I know a lot of people will say, “Ah, there’s a better option for China, like Pakistan or North Korea.” But all the weapons and equipment information of North Korea is unknown, and if there really is a North Korean subline, then we have to accept a completely fictitious vehicle by Gaijin? Pakistan cannot form a subline on its own, and some of its vehicles are also modified Chinese weapons and equipment - this makes no sense. Why can other countries get a sub-tree that has little connection to their country, but not the Chinese faction? Do the three Low Countries of France or Hungary of Italy have anything to do with them?

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I would not be surprised, a lot of the items on that list seemed more like over-heard concepts rather than actual plans

Yes the leak for vehicle to come next update is usually quite accurate, but I found leak for longer term seems to be more dubious.

By definition defining a band for the radar means it’s not AESA, but PESA, btw. Used in marketing it’s likely either a misnomer or translation errors.

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Chinese TT still has enough choices to fill the TT, ITA don’t.
Add a L2A4 is meaningless

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F/A-18E Blk 1 standard coming to 2026 or 2027 for USA tech tree to USN fighter line. my guess

That is the other thing that makes me question this leak

Does China even need a Sub-TT? Especially over Japan or Israel

Between China and Taiwan + export variants, they have quite a roster to call upon.

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I doubt if it will come so quickly. I think it should be a forerunner of next gen jets, a test, should not be earlier than next top jet major update
and some of the Chinese leaker’s vehicles often get delayed