Osa will definitely come after the 2S6, but definitely not better than the Pantsir or TOR
With proper missiles it would be better afaik. Base version had 10km range but later versions were much better
I guess my issue with the Osa, is that it would be hard to justify, as even at its absolute best, it’s still worse than the Pantsir, and somewhat better than the Tunguska. If anything all the soviets would need, is a lesser SPAA than the Strella, so it can go up to 10.3, and something slightly worse like the ZSU-23M4 gets added to 9.3
And then there’s other nations like the UK or China that could really use some more options around those battle ratings
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Did some deep diving. Osa would be the perfect 10.0 or 10.3 companion to the Strela-10M. 10km range (just short of Tunguska/Tor), 500m/s, 100m/s slower than Tunguska/TOR. Half the min range of the TOR.
Radar guided, hard to flare/chaff away. Would basically be like the beginners 2S6 with almost same range, same style of aiming. Would be perfect for shooting down TRAMs.
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It’s kind of annoying, because clearly the Strela-1 9K31 is “leaked” by Olivia, but it doesn’t actually help out USSR tree, which is particularly vulnerable to helicopters, since the lowest BR decent anti-helicopter AA is 2S38. Gepards and other AA around 8.3 are way better against helicopters than ZSU-37-2 and ZSU-23-4. At least M4 or M5 ZSU-23-4 would help a lot at this vulnerable range.
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Thaing is tho, that wouldn’t really be needed, especially when you consider how effective the Strella 2 already is, and how the optical mode buffed it a decent bit
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I mean, since the Strella got the Optical buff, it pretty decent against the helicopters of its BR. And tbh it’s definitely 10.0 worth at least, and a lesser Strella would be helpful at 9.0-9.3 since it would be vulnerable to flares and have no optical mode
Also you should all be greatful you don’t have to use the “wonderful” PGZ-04. The manpands on that POS feel like what stingers were when they first got added, and you only get 4 of them to add insult to injury.
And your stuck with this until the Tor
The problem is that even Strela-10M2 doesn’t work against small helicopters, carriers of SS.11, ITOW and other ATGMs. Probably need something like Strela-10M4. Strela-1 also has photocontrast. But the point is that these are just not as useful as VEAK 40 or others.
at least PGZ09 has really good IRST that can snipe helicopters that don’t change direction.
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Yea no doubt someone will flag that comment as off topic. lol
But since I’ve been off I heard some people atcually want to see my RNZAF F-16 suggestion hehe.
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The IRST dosnt compensate for the fact that the guns are at best only viable for target’s 2km out at most. They have prefromance closer to the Shilka, and the Manpands are just garbage. I would take a Strella any day of the week over that garbage 9.3 SPAA. The Strella does fine against most helicopters, and is easily one of the best SPAA in its BR range currently.
PGZ09 is the 2x35mm not the PGZ04A 4x25mm.
It is wonderful against planes, especially ones without flares, useless against flares. But it simply struggles to lock helicopters which can loiter at max range and farm 4-6 kills with no resistance. Meanwhile a vehicle like VEAK 40 or other proximity fuse shell vehicles can defeat helicopters with relative ease.
Yes anger them
Vehicles like the O-I do not currently have enough reliable information to accurately model them with a large enough degree of certainty in the game. Everything for the Ostwind II was either built, tested or something existed to a complete enough degree like the E-100.
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…are you not using the optical mode? It literally doesn’t care about flares in optical mode at all, which removes one of its biggest problems when fighting jets or helicopters. Also I’m sorry but while proximity fuze is useful, and better than regular guns, they are still inferior to a missile that can lock on and pretty much guarantee a kill at 3-4km easy. I say that as a helicopter pilot with plenty of experience going up against SPAA, and I’d rather fight a VEAK over a Strella any day.
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Sooo, there is a special list or specified requirements for vehicles like that?
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I think a great deal of confusion comes from the fact that there’s no central repository for all the information about current-date standards for what constitutes valid resources, vehicles or interpretation of evidence.
Why isn’t there some kind of special forum post or section of the main website which aggregates and collates all the various different publications about the standards made over the years?
I’ve seen many times, the blogs on modern vehicle protection and the penetration formula linked. Why isn’t information like that easily accessible from one location? A “Bug reporters guide” section or somesuch. People want to put effort in to help the developers, but at the moment you have to trawl around wondering if you missed a blog post somewhere explaining some crucial criteria.
Wouldn’t it also make the lives of Community Managers easier if there was a single link that could be posted? It seems easier for all involved if there’s some central directory or repository of relevant information/posts about these sorts of things.
It should be convenient and easily laid out, not having to dig around looking for years old blog posts.
Probably would help a lot to try and make various “one-stop-shop” posts or sections of the website specifically to centralise the available information for easy consumption.
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